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by Bundokji
Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

If we change the word "self" to reflexive consciousness and say: all fabrications are not reflexive consciousness, it does not make much sense :thinking:
by Bundokji
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Perspective
Replies: 18
Views: 540

Re: Perspective

Maverick Philosopher Bill Vallicella in aphoristic mood: To be well thought of is good. It is as good as to be ill thought of is bad. But how bad is that? https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2020/04/perspective.html I am wondering why the above quote did not end with: but h...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

Even though god and self are equally metaphysical concepts, in the sense that they rely on deductive reasoning, the word "self" refers to inner essence hence not often recognized as metaphysical, while god is a cause that is outside the world. So, both the self and god are in the world and yet separ...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

'The world' refers to every sphere of experience which the world perceives as 'being' or 'person'. 'self' is the verbal expression that corresponds to the experience in question that is the root cause of samsara. To use the expression 'apple' instead would be inappropriate because the world uses th...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

SteRo wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:07 pm
The world experiences self and that experience is the root cause of samsara.
Only when framed as such.
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

SteRo wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:49 am
Because the view of the aggregates being self is the root cause of samsara.
If ignorance has no known beginnings, then holding a higher or different truth hostage to a reference to a worldly term that has its utility serves only to deceive.
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

SteRo wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:41 am
The Buddha did neither negate nor affirm self. The Buddha taught what is not self.
Indeed, but why in reference to the self? why in reference at all?
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

Reason and thought have only brought you to more reason and thought it seems.....your search for certainty has only brought you more uncertainty it seems.....more reason, thought, and uncertainty is not what I pursue....is more reason, thought, and uncertainty what you pursue? chownah And what are ...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

The word exists because people believe they have a self. How is that hard to understand? Not if the belief is so deeply rooted as you said. In English language, the expression " it goes without saying" is used for things that is considered self-evident. What is more self evident than the self? henc...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

Because the sense of self runs so deep, and because anatta runs counter to what people generally assume. It can be hard for some to get their head around, as opposed to dukkha or anicca. I’ve tried explaining it to non-Buddhists. They tend to bulk at the idea and think it to be a weird concept. Thi...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

If we compare the words "self" with "ear" for example, both are nama, both imply a being and an essence or something unchanging, but the word "self" says so explicitly by definition. So, why human beings needed to invent a separate word that says explicitly there is an essence and/or being and becam...
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

sunnat wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:15 am
The suttas are largely responses. People, then and now, obsess about self and not-self so it tends to be something people query.
But why this word is so central. Why people obsess about it more than other words so the Buddha made it central to his teachings?
by Bundokji
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

As Buddha pogressed towards enlightenment he found that this that and the other that he had previously thought of as self were in fact not-self. Having become fully self realised, not through any practice of a doctrine of not-self but by studying truth as it arises within the mind body phenomenon, ...
by Bundokji
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

Ceisiwr wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:44 pm
I don’t think it’s wise to discuss experiences or attainments in this setting.
Not in my case :heart:
by Bundokji
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why the self?
Replies: 137
Views: 3402

Re: Why the self?

Ceisiwr wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:30 pm
Less and less each day. It’s quite peaceful :smile:
Has it ever happened to you when an evidence of self came into your awareness and brought with it a feeling of discomfort?

It happened to me :popcorn: