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by Bundokji
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:17 pm
There is no such thing as "the truth".[/list]
Does that apply to your own statement?
by Bundokji
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Accepting what you relate about chah on faith I ask the questions: Did chah suffer becaue of his inability to control his defecation? and Did chah lose faith when he got sick? Aren't the answers to these questions more meaningful than the reactions of some "disciples" (not knowing anything about th...
by Bundokji
Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

I think part of the problem is that until one brings an end to suffering, they don't really know what that implies or even what it actually means. Not only do they proceed on faith, but they also desire something that - while they don't understand it - they know that it must be unlike anything I co...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

I think it depends on what the individual assumes that macro/general purpose to be. I'm going to be so bold as to say that unless that general purpose is complete freedom from suffering, the person is allowing for the continuity of their ignorance. By refusing to pursue their situation as far as th...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

The question of the relationship between liberation and gnosis is an interesting one, as well as how this plays out in terms of our practice. Gombrich makes the point (in What the Buddha Thought ) that there were two parallel approaches to soteriology at the time of the Buddha. The Upanisadic appro...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Therefore they teach about the five powers (bala): saddhā,viriya, sati, samādhi, paññā. Saddhā is conviction; viriya is diligent effort; sati is recollection; samādhi is fixedness of mind; paññā is all-embracing knowledge. Don't say that paññā is simply knowledge - paññā is all-embracing, consummat...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

"Truth" is not the ultimate goal. Some truths are not worth pursuing, because they don't lead to liberation (cf. Siṃsapa Sutta ). Even a liberating truth isn't the ultimate goal, it's the means to an end. Liberation is what's essential, the heartwood, because dukkha is the fundamental problem of ex...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Thus have I heard. At one time the Blessed One was dwelling at Bārāṇasī in the Deer Park at Isipatana. There the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus of the group of five thus: "Bhikkhus, these two extremes should not be followed by one gone forth (into the homeless life). What two? That which is thi...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

This wholesome desire is still teleological in nature, but the key difference here is that the fulfillment means the abandonment of the nature of purpose. Things would still arise, but without the significance of being "mine". I am not sure if the nature of purpose is abandoned in the case of the A...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

You have not replied to anything I said. You have changed to another subect and it really looks like you have done so to avoid replying to anything I have said and yet to give the impression that you have..... "There are these four ways of answering questions. Which four? There are questions that s...
by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Here you go spinning things to a misrepresentation....having the view that the buddha only taught the end of suffering is not a "reduction" of the goal which the buddha taught...it IS the goal which the buddha taught....you are trying to spin things so that YOUR goal is the goal that the buddha tau...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

What I wanted to say is that 5 khandhas and 6 sense doors it's a big burden, and while one can experience the absence of this burden, he can understand how much is actually a burden and how dukkha all experiences are, pleasant or unpleasant, bodily or mentaly. No body wants to live with constantly ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

If you start off with that, then you're in a deadlock position. Similar to the person who is contemplating to be baptized into a Christian church, but who acknowledges that he is fallen and sinful and therefore incapable of recognizing which Christian church is the right one and thus to be baptized...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

There can be a teleological nature present in experience not free of self-view and the conceit "I am". From the position of things being "mine" and "for me", there will always be significance and purpose. No matter how far a person accepts, denies (both or neither) their own existence, things will ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 98
Views: 1365

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

So, my question is valid: if all we care about is to end suffering, then why we don't envy stones? Who is "we"? Human beings in general and Buddhists in particular. Please note that i am not saying that we don't care about ending suffering, surely we do. However, reducing the goal only to that (by ...