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by Bundokji
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Here you go spinning things to a misrepresentation....having the view that the buddha only taught the end of suffering is not a "reduction" of the goal which the buddha taught...it IS the goal which the buddha taught....you are trying to spin things so that YOUR goal is the goal that the buddha tau...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

What I wanted to say is that 5 khandhas and 6 sense doors it's a big burden, and while one can experience the absence of this burden, he can understand how much is actually a burden and how dukkha all experiences are, pleasant or unpleasant, bodily or mentaly. No body wants to live with constantly ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

If you start off with that, then you're in a deadlock position. Similar to the person who is contemplating to be baptized into a Christian church, but who acknowledges that he is fallen and sinful and therefore incapable of recognizing which Christian church is the right one and thus to be baptized...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

There can be a teleological nature present in experience not free of self-view and the conceit "I am". From the position of things being "mine" and "for me", there will always be significance and purpose. No matter how far a person accepts, denies (both or neither) their own existence, things will ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

So, my question is valid: if all we care about is to end suffering, then why we don't envy stones? Who is "we"? Human beings in general and Buddhists in particular. Please note that i am not saying that we don't care about ending suffering, surely we do. However, reducing the goal only to that (by ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Doesn't apply. Stones don't suffer and can't suffer. Indeed. If the only criteria as to why the Buddha's teachings are superior is ending suffering, then stones would be superior to the average human being by virtue of what you mentioned: they don't suffer and can't suffer. Here is where you talked...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

I think you're taking yourself (ie. a person -- a person with specific needs, interests, and concerns) out of the equation too quickly. It looks like you're trying to depersonalize religious choice. You might ask yourself how so. The path itself is not personal. In fact, the teachings identify taki...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

If you want to think that stones are better than humans that's ok with me.....where does it get you?....where do you go with this as a starting point?....but....don't try to make believe that this is what the buddha taught or the message he intended you to receive. chownah Where did i say that ston...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

In the suttas, ignorance refers specifically to ignorance of the Four Noble Truths; not some general or other ignorance. Certainty, in this context, refers to certainty in terms of the Four Noble Truths, not some other certainty (not certainty about the existence of God, or the roundness of the pla...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

binocular wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:56 pm
Doesn't apply. Stones don't suffer and can't suffer.
Indeed. If the only criteria as to why the Buddha's teachings are superior is ending suffering, then stones would be superior to the average human being by virtue of what you mentioned: they don't suffer and can't suffer.
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

You keep trying to spin what the buddha taught and which he declared explicitly into something else....into something you imagine he was teaching.... The buddha declared that he only taught the end of suffering. Form his very beginning, when he was still living as a prince in a palace, he was struc...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Why: It is superior because it's shows how much any kind of being is dukkha. Hello Nwad, Is a stone, by being free from Dukkha, superior to a human being who is vulnerable to dukkha? if not, why not? We are not aware of the weight and dukkha that our khandhas exerce on our minds, only by realising ...
by Bundokji
Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

First you try to spin the buddhas teachings into a search for some kind of ultimate truth even though he declared outright that he only taught the end of suffering/stress (remember the leaves in the buddha's hand compared to the leaves in the forest?) and now you are trying to spin what I said into...
by Bundokji
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

Why the Buddha left his family life to pursue a samana's life? Because he saw the dukkha of human life, which is bounded by cycles of death and rebirth. Within it, he saw the ultimate unsatisfactory and painful nature(that is dukkha) of life in this samsāra world. He wanted to seek deathless. And h...
by Bundokji
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering as a gateway to the truth
Replies: 91
Views: 886

Re: Suffering as a gateway to the truth

The buddha said that he only taught the end of suffering/stress.....all this stuff you are spinning has to do with you and your views and not with what the buddha said that he taught. Also, what he taught does seem to have implications beyond just the end of suffering/stress....but what actually li...