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by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

I bite something. It is a pleasant feeling. It has the flavor of an apple. It has the texture of an apple. It has the aroma of an apple. It is an apple. ......would "it is an apple" be the perception or would a sort of summary "I have bitten into an apple" be the perception" or what? chownah I thin...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

actually brain studies could show the perception triggers feelings : because of perception, there are mechanism in brain associated to endorphine or others. I think here you are relying on the english word perception, rather than the pali word sanna (usually translated as perception). How you've us...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:41 am
Do you think that there are these three stages?....and if so which one is perception etc.?
More like 3 components to the experience, perception is the component the recognises and labels the experience.
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

So feeling tone is something like a disposition you already have. Someone who loves apples has a pleasant disposition towards apples. When he comes into contact with the apple he experiences a pleasant feeling tone and the mind then attempts to attribute meaning to the feeling tone. So it's like a ...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

But doesn't your perception first have to identify the object let's say an apple, as an apple before a feeling can arise? Not necessarily, feeling tone is more on an animal instinct level. Whereas "It's an apple" is just a concept about an experience,whether you are drawn towards that experience or...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

Again, I'm talking about perceptions, not feelings. Pleasant and Unpleasant does not relate to perception (sanna), it relates to feeling tone (vedana). Feeling tone is an automatic response to a stimulus, this automatic response can colour our perception of the experience. So it's feeling then perc...
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 2922

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

I'm not sure that an object can remain independently desirable or undesirable. For an object to be desirable for example, it needs to be perceived as desirable. This perception is created in the mind. The object is really neither desirable nor non-desirable. You are right of course, but this is all...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:28 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: ordaining in theravada and zen?
Replies: 14
Views: 1175

Re: ordaining in theravada and zen?

When I was practicing at Shwe oo min I saw several Mahayana monks taking temporary (presumably just for the period of their stay) ordination in Theravada, mostly Vietnamese zen monks.
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 3986

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

Do they try to make merit and hope for a better rebirth? Then, yes, they are in effect trying to verify things for themselves. Clearly we have a different understanding of what verifying for oneselves entails, the keyword in your sentence is hope, how does hope and verification correlate? If anythi...
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 3986

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

In contrast, in Buddhism, and not just in the modern variations for scientific skeptics, the situation is, at least on principle, quite different. A Buddhist, on principle, does try to know things for himself, does try to verify the religious tenets. I think you'll find that 150 years ago this wasn...
by Goofaholix
Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 3986

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

My perception of theravada is that it if a path of practice and the epitome of the practice is the monastic (symbolically). The path of practice for the lay person is a path of action (dana, sila, bhavana) and relationship (with the monastic sangha). Take out the bhavana for the lay person and that...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 3986

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

Some names, please? As I understand it the movement characterised as "Protestant Buddhism" came about for much the same reasons as protestant christianity, as a laypersons revival and freedom from the clergy as the only authority attitude that had built up over centuries. It is characterised by lay...
by Goofaholix
Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mind moments
Replies: 28
Views: 1270

Re: Mind moments

Many practitioners report this sort of experience and perhaps that's how the mind-moment description developed (though how they got to billions of moments per second is a mystery to me...). It's relatively late development, somewhere between the Abhidhamma and the Commentaries. Yes, I can appreciat...
by Goofaholix
Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mind moments
Replies: 28
Views: 1270

Re: Mind moments

As a practice it's quite simple, it's most easily observed when observing change. For example if you are mindfully observing the movement of your arm, depending on how sensitive the mind is sometimes you observe it as one fluid movement, sometimes like a series of micro movements like looking at a m...
by Goofaholix
Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Tips for dealing with intrusive noise when practicing mindfulness?
Replies: 8
Views: 640

Re: Tips for dealing with intrusive noise when practicing mindfulness?

Mindfulness practice is about attending to whatever is happening here and now, it's not about shutting out some experiences and concentrating on others, it sounds like you are doing concentration practice not mindfulness practice. With mindfulness practice you should notice that you are hearing, not...