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by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: details on sitting meditation?
Replies: 3
Views: 1160

Re: details on sitting meditation?

i believe, that the idea is to not wait until Jhana is developed to begin the practice of Satipatthana, not to forgo Jhana altogether. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.170.than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "Then there is the case where a monk has developed...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:35 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

heck, you all make a very good point: there is almost no point in talking about "zen" as a blanket name for all the schools! it's crazy! there are so many and they are so varied and non unified that there is no way there could be a consensus among them or us on who practices what. so this topic kind...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:30 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

I guess Zen is also not one lineage and includes Chinese Chan, Korean Seon and probably Vietnamese Thien. Within these traditions there have certainly been teachers who have taught jhanas or have considered jhanas as stages along the path. For me it is hard to envisage complete liberation without d...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

I guess Zen is also not one lineage and includes Chinese Chan, Korean Seon and probably Vietnamese Thien. Within these traditions there have certainly been teachers who have taught jhanas or have considered jhanas as stages along the path. For me it is hard to envisage complete liberation without d...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:55 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Zen equivalent in Theravada?
Replies: 5
Views: 1205

Re: Zen equivalent in Theravada?

Maybe you keep practicing until these differences level out? the differences have leveled out. that's kind of my point. at first they seem very different, but after years of practice, they have leveled and i see that they are very much the same. So what is "it" that "makes" a difference? you tell m...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:49 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Zen equivalent in Theravada?
Replies: 5
Views: 1205

Re: Zen equivalent in Theravada?

Hmmm.... I think you may be getting an incorrect impression here, johnny. Every tradition has its unique flavour and unique approach to practice. And those here who have practiced both Zen and Theravada would confirm that there are not the same, at least as far as methods are concerned. As for a ba...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:52 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: details on sitting meditation?
Replies: 3
Views: 1160

details on sitting meditation?

i think i understand daily practice, but sitting meditation in the vipassana tradition usually uses such methods as mindfulness of breathing and what-not, right? but in vipassana we do not want too enter jhana. is this correct? if this is correct, what do we do? just keep mindful of whatever arises?...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:33 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Zen equivalent in Theravada?
Replies: 5
Views: 1205

Zen equivalent in Theravada?

MAJOR EDIT: there is no way too definitively say "zen has such and such practices" because there are hundreds of schools. so without further specification down too a single school, this kind of fails too make sense. so really i should have just asked: "What is the most simplistic, bare bones, Thera...
by johnny
Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:18 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

is there anything a zen teacher will tell you to do that a theravada teacher would not. That question is not phrased correctly. The other way round may be applicable. A Zen teacher most likely would not encourage the typical shamata/vipassana style of meditation that is common in Theravada. Also th...
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:10 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

the more i look into it, the more it seems like zen is the mahayana equivalent too the theravada vipassana school. kind of a "drop everything but some very bare bones practices" kind of deal. very efficient and simple. great stuff.
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:08 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

not that I am aware of (and koans & Hwadu can be seen in the pali canon BTW) Now, that's interesting. Do you happen to have any references handy? try any teaching in the canon, not all koans are riddles, although ud 1.8/10?? does spring to mind, "in the seen there is only the seen" is a hwadu, and ...
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

shikantaza, is taught after one practices zazen for a while. i dont know there might be theravadan teachers who teach something like shikantaza, which means nothing but sitting. shikantaza is a unique version of silent illumination created by dogen. at least as far as i know. some versions of silen...
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

is there anything a zen teacher will tell you to do that a theravada teacher would not. That question is not phrased correctly. The other way round may be applicable. A Zen teacher most likely would not encourage the typical shamata/vipassana style of meditation that is common in Theravada. Also th...
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:22 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Re: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada (other than koans and shouting and hitting)? I practiced Zen for a long time and then changed too theravada and as i read the pali canon and commentaries and some other theravada literature, i'm finding every single thing i learned in zen. the a...
by johnny
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:07 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 2495

Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada

Are there any practices in Zen not found in Theravada (other than koans and shouting and hitting)? I practiced Zen for a long time and then changed too theravada and as i read the pali canon and commentaries and some other theravada literature, i'm finding every single thing i learned in zen. the at...