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by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:47 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

One thing you are missing, kannada, this is the "Discovering Theravada" section, which is pretty much self explanatory by its title - "Discovering Theravada". What has become plainly obvious is that idiosyncratic posts do not quite fit here, since what you are posting is not necessarily Theravada. ...
by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:23 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

the tradition rather strikes me as being a bit wiser than the position you are advocating. What position did I advocate? a practitioner of? Meditation. Except both the Theravada and the Mahayana talk about conventional language and “ultimate” language, and understanding teachings in those terms. I ...
by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:52 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

 There's only one Dhamma...everything else is a dhamma... This is Diamond Sutra stuff. My earlier query (page 3) to Retro will explain its context.  In Dhamma there are no dhammas... Of course, it depends.... On what? Under what circumstances are there dhammas in Dhamma? In my view the best approa...
by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:05 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4885
Views: 457100

Re: Poll: Are you vegetarian/vegan?

Tex wrote:DISCLAIMER: Voting intended for Theravadins only please; discussion is of course welcomed from all traditions.
With respect to Tex's wishes I did not vote, however I have been a vegetarian for the last 36 years...

Regards
by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:37 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

appicchato wrote:
kannada wrote:Dhammas are not dhammas but are called dhammas...
There's only one Dhamma...everything else is a dhamma...
In Dhamma there are no dhammas... :tongue:
by kannada
Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:07 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

Hi Retro, It's a figure of speech the Buddha used. When speaking conventionally though, the Buddha was not fooled by the conventional understanding Thanks for the quote. Although I accept what you say it doesn't seem obvious in that passage (unless I completely missed it). There doesn't seem to be a...
by kannada
Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:28 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

Chris::: wrote:But, but, but if we drop the notion of "I" how can there be "someone" who understands"?
There isn't Chris - it's just a figure of speech used in the land of delusion...
by kannada
Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:04 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

appicchato wrote:
kannada wrote:Then drop the notions...
:thumbsup:
At last!!!... Someone who understands... :namaste:
by kannada
Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:49 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

Hi Chris::: No need to defend yourself, no attack is forthcoming... There is no self to go to refuge to, so why say there is? Because it is the subject of this thread, Re: "Refuge in Oneself". I believe Drolma was expressing this as her view. In several other threads we have been talking recently .....
by kannada
Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:40 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

I was using is what you said as an example of where things can go wrong, but it does seem to go a bit further than that: "Wouldn't this contradict the teaching of Anatta? Taking refuge in a 'self' that is nothing more than a utilisable misperception..." This remark is quite in accord with Buddhist ...
by kannada
Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:12 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

The beginner's mistake, which is also a mistake made further down the road, is to think we can jump to Ajahn Chah's level. There is a great deal of work in betwixt and between here and there. Still plugging the same theme Tilt - you should learn to let go. If you're implying that I assume myself to...
by kannada
Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:49 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

Makes good sense to illusory "moi" ..! So, its okay to use terms like self, Oneself, just be sure we understand what happens when we hold such conceptions too tightly in our minds.... That the Buddha himself had reservations about using conventional speech, as Chris pointed out... Is that what you ...
by kannada
Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:37 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

The beginner's mistake, which is also a mistake made further down the road, is to think we can jump to Ajahn Chah's level. There is a great deal of work in betwixt and between here and there. Still plugging the same theme Tilt - you should learn to let go. If you're implying that I assume myself to...
by kannada
Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:37 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

<snip>The classic beginners mistake.<snip> I am not sure I would characterize k as a beginner, but the bare statement is not at all uncommon among beginners, which pretty much all I meant by it. Hi Tilt, Personally I'm disinterested in people's views of me, but on a forum it can diverge attention a...
by kannada
Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:56 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Refuge in Oneself
Replies: 86
Views: 9322

Re: Refuge in Oneself

There's a thread here in the "Discovering Theravada" section I started a while back called "The Not Self Strategy." In that thread we discussed the distinction between no self and not self. I linked to an article by a Bikkhu that was called "The Not Self Strategy." Maybe that would be a nice read t...