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by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Hi everyone, Here is another interesting passage, from MN 28 But when internally the eye is intact and externally forms come into range, and there is a corresponding engagement, then there is the appearing of the corresponding type of consciousness. "The form of what has thus come into being is gat...
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Effect of words in "cause and effect"
Replies: 18
Views: 2119

Re: Effect of words in "cause and effect"

Hi Sarva, I am OK with all of these, and would like to explore how DO is different. Such an exploration would help me understand DO a bit better. And it seems like a good tactic, as I am familiar with the idea of causality in a western context, and need to start from where I am, so to speak. Hi Sam...
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:15 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination
Replies: 19
Views: 3454

Re: Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination

Thanks a lot Dymytro,
I wasn't aware of the second and third (Nandakovada Sutta) quotations and put together as you have, they provide a useful insight to how one should approach this topic! I will read them in full.

I also read a post by you today, on a similar topic which was useful. :)

Metta.
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:41 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Effect of words in "cause and effect"
Replies: 18
Views: 2119

Re: Effect of words in "cause and effect"

Hi Sarva, Yes, I understand the bit about the precise workings of Kamma, but my issue is more about the nature of the relationships between entities in Dependent Origination, rather than the exact entities themselves. If Dependent Origination is something other than causality, then knowing exactly ...
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:54 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination
Replies: 19
Views: 3454

Re: Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination

Thanks Retro,
Yes you did recommend his work and I am grateful you did, working my way through them! :smile:
Nothing above do I 'own', I am even liberated from that burden it seems :sage: . The above could be seen as a summary of my understanding through materials I have read online.
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Greetings Sarva, If you don’t mind I will PM you a longer explanation as I feel I may risk further digression from Retro’s original post with a focus on appropriation. It should be easier for us to join back in then. :anjali: . Feel free to create a new topic and link to it from here (as I did in m...
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:44 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination
Replies: 19
Views: 3454

Thoughts on Form and Consciousness in Dependent Origination

Below is some thoughts on how I am starting to understand the cessation of name&form and the cessation of consciousness in the Buddha's Dependent Origination. Regarding namarupa, consciousness specifically in Dependent Origination. I had to continually keep in mind that I was not looking for an expe...
by Sarva
Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Hi Sarva, Could you clarify one point for me? Does name-form cease completely and permanently, and if yes, then when does this happen? Thanks. Regards, Vincent. Hi Vincent If you don’t mind I will PM you a longer explanation as I feel I may risk further digression from Retro’s original post with a ...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

hi Vincent Yes, I am taking this definition of rupa: Feeling, perception, intention, contact, & attention: This is called name. The four great elements, and the form dependent on the four great elements: This is called form. This name & this form are called name-&-form. http://www.accesstoinsight.or...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Hi Vincent I take form to be literal, the "elements". My body is form, a tree is form and water is form. What 'ceases' is the perception of form as having an inherent quality or self. The boundary of this form versus that form becomes minimalised. With the cessation of namarupa there is the cessatio...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Hi sarva, My own opinion is that form is not the same as the form aggregate. See: SN 22.57 "This noble eightfold path is the way leading to the cessation of form; that is, right view ... right concentration." Regards, Vincent. Hi Vincent Are the pali words different in each case, I don't know? How ...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:14 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Effect of words in "cause and effect"
Replies: 18
Views: 2119

Re: Effect of words in "cause and effect"

I have no problem with causality being unable to explain our experience, but this could alternatively be accounted for by saying that we are simply unaware of the causes in sufficient detail. (This would be a view, of, for example, materialists. If we know where all the atoms are, and all the force...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:37 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Effect of words in "cause and effect"
Replies: 18
Views: 2119

Re: Effect of words in "cause and effect"

Dependent origination, cause and condition are the concept, which is built based on the foundation of subject, object, and verb. If you want to talk about DO, cause and condition, you need subject and object. Otherwise, how to communicate? So, we pretend there is a fixed subject and object. Because...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)
Replies: 131
Views: 13598

Re: Five aggregates of appropriation (upādānakkhandha)

Hi everyone, Ven. Nanavira's Understanding Of the Aggregates. Quote: "An arahat while alive, continues to be individual in the sense that 'he' is a sequence of states distinguishable from other individuals. Every set of pancakkhandha - not panc'upadanakkhandha in the arahats case - is unique, and i...
by Sarva
Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:01 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Effect of words in "cause and effect"
Replies: 18
Views: 2119

Re: Effect of words in "cause and effect"

If I may interject, my understanding is that things are real but not constantly real. This I see as the middle way, if we say something depends on our mind, we slip towards idealism or solipsism. If we take things as having a constant or real existence (a self) then we slip towards realism. Your in...