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by Kumara
Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

So would the 4 tetrads of anapanasati be an example of the "yoke-tied" approach? The traditional commentaries seem to describe the 4 tetrads as a process of jhana culminating in insight, though the more modern commentaries describe it more like an exercise in satipatthana. From my draft book: So, “...
by Kumara
Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Terminology might be the problem, samatha is a practice and it's result is samadhi. Vipassana is not a practice it's a result, so it doesn't make sense to compare it with samatha it makes sense to compare it with samadhi. So what's the practice that results in vipassana? samatha using awareness mul...
by Kumara
Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Terminology might be the problem, samatha is a practice and it's result is samadhi. Vipassana is not a practice it's a result, so it doesn't make sense to compare it with samatha it makes sense to compare it with samadhi. So what's the practice that results in vipassana? samatha using awareness mul...
by Kumara
Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

mikenz66 wrote:And the other AN sutta could be read as suggesing somewhat separate development.
No doubt, they are different developments, but need not be developed separately.
by Kumara
Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Orthodox Theravada take "samatha" to mean a category of practices not practicable together with vipassana. So in your view can samatha and vipassana be developed simultaneously, and if so by what method? I thought it's public knowledge, at least on this forum: Puna ca paraṁ āvuso bhikkhu samathavip...
by Kumara
Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Thanks for the response. So far no answer, huh? I'm aware of how these terms are used in the Suttas. What I'm seeking is where the idea of them being mutually exclusive practices originated. Can you give an example? I think the mutual exclusivity is a product of a black and white interpretation. Th...
by Kumara
Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

I know this is Wikipedia, but it may be helpful: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassana#Origins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Yes, it's helpful. Thanks. I found a reference there to a passage in "Henepola Gunaratana, ''The Jhanas in...
by Kumara
Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Re: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Thanks for the response. So far no answer, huh?

I'm aware of how these terms are used in the Suttas. What I'm seeking is where the idea of them being mutually exclusive practices originated.
by Kumara
Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”
Replies: 23
Views: 1370

Seeking scriptural reference for mutual exclusivity of “samatha” and “vipassanā”

Current orthodox Theravāda deems “samatha” as a kind of meditation that leads to jhāna, and “vipassanā” as another that leads to ñāṇa or insight knowledge. They are deemed mutually exclusive, i.e., impossible to be practised together. I'm looking for a scriptural reference for that mutual exclusivit...
by Kumara
Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?
Replies: 31
Views: 2346

Re: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?

To be precise, the Vsm does not say "breath body". Ven B actually parsed sabbakāya to refer to the "entire inbreath body" ( sakala assāsakāya ) and the "entire outbreath body" ( sakala passāsakāya ). Given the Vsm parsing of sabbakāya to actually be a referent to 2 phenomena, how different is that ...
by Kumara
Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?
Replies: 31
Views: 2346

Re: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?

Not to be a nit-picker, but a more rigorous "etic" Textual Criticism approach might not be so certain in drawing this conclusion - You may have come across translations with “breath” added to “the entire body”, thus “the entire breath-body”. This conforms to the commentarial gloss that “body” (kāya...
by Kumara
Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Wat Dhammakaya
Replies: 938
Views: 133029

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

No, I don’t think so. Their mistake is one that’s quite common among Thais who either don’t know that there’s a well-established tradition of anglophone Pali scholarship, or who do know but are too lazy or conceited to consult it.... Ah, I see. Translating translations is always problematic. Seems ...
by Kumara
Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Wat Dhammakaya
Replies: 938
Views: 133029

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

While researching of thina-middha, I found something odd at one of their websites: "Thina means discouragement or gloominess, disheartening, dullness and loneliness." Huh? I suppose the idea came from the leader or leading coterie. Could it be that he/they are putting their emotions into the explana...
by Kumara
Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:37 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Samadhi (best English translation?)
Replies: 127
Views: 31802

Re: Draft ready for feedback -- Re: Samadhi (best English translation?)

Evidently further discussion will have to wait until the publication of the book. I'm pretty much done with the book. Now seeking feedback on accuracy. I invite people deep in the suttas and meditation to ask me for the draft: kumara.bhikkhu@g[DELETE]mail.com Still no takers from here. I suppose I'...
by Kumara
Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?
Replies: 31
Views: 2346

Re: Can you do meditation with any type of single thought or activity?

daverupa wrote:Well, nevermind the future book - that current excerpt is clean, clear, and clarificatory.
I'm glad you like it. :-)