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by Bakmoon
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 301
Views: 12865

Re: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and listening to discourses] (explained) -

... Here's an even more explicit sutta which contradicts your interpretation. SN 55.5 “Sāriputta, this is said: ‘A stream-enterer, a stream- enterer.’ What now, Sāriputta, is a stream-enterer?” “One who possesses this Noble Eightfold Path, venerable sir, is called a stream-enterer: this venerable o...
by Bakmoon
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 301
Views: 12865

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Because all of the monks in the suttas were already stream enterers. Can you give any evidence to back up this claim? They were already instructed about the fundamental doctrine and had already became stream enterers, achieving the first step of the noble 8thfold path - right view. From this point ...
by Bakmoon
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 301
Views: 12865

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Such suttas about gradual training, like most suttas in the pali canon, are clearly meant for stream enterers. This is because every bhikkhu was a stream enterer back then and because first step of the noble 8thfold path is the most easy one of them. It only requires contemplation and hearing the r...
by Bakmoon
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 301
Views: 12865

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Is this a joke ? I've asked for one single (just one, not two) sutta where someone becomes a stream enterer through another method than by listening to a discourse. And you come with a quote saying "the noble 8thfold path is the way to enlightenment" :juggling: But the Noble Eightfold path does ref...
by Bakmoon
Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Mahashi [and other Satipatthana/Samadhi development methods] vs sutta [and contemplating higher teachings] (explained) -
Replies: 301
Views: 12865

Re: Mahashi vs sutta (explained)

Absolutely everybody from A to Z in the suttas did it through hearing and contemplating a discourse on dependent origination. Please provide one single sutta reference where somebody did it in another way than through listening and contemplating a discourse. Just one single one, not two. And yet th...
by Bakmoon
Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:07 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

If earth has a permanent quality of being earth and cannot vanish into nothing, then that makes the earth element permanent. Something that cannot cease is permanent, and this is contrary to the Buddha's fundamental insight that all conditioned phenomena are to be regarded as impermanent, unsatisfy...
by Bakmoon
Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:27 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

I never said they were the same. My point is that you previously made the claim that earth is permanent, and that this is a wrong understanding. Thank you Bakmoon but possibly there is a miscommunication here. Previously, I recalled making a case for 'sabhava'; in that earth always has a permanent ...
by Bakmoon
Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:36 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

It doesn't matter in the slightest whether or not the earth element ceases temporarily or permanently. In either case, the earth element is demonstrated to be impermanent because by definition, permanent things remain the same and do not arise and cease. I agree fully here. However, when Nāgārjunai...
by Bakmoon
Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:25 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Unlike craving, earth element cannot vanish. Its destruction cannot be observed. “When, friend, a bhikkhu understands as they really are the origin and the passing away of the four great elements, in this way his vision is well purified.” Its on-topic because the topic is Nagarjuna's idea about "no...
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Thoughts on DN as Propaganda
Replies: 12
Views: 781

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

If one really intends to understand subtle problems, it is not in the poetic verses of a book written with the intent of propaganda that one should look. (even this sutta we are talking about has 2 unnecessary pages about devas not finding an answer to this problem until Buddha comes there to the r...
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Thoughts on DN as Propaganda
Replies: 12
Views: 781

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

We are off topic, but if you do not mind, what is the source of this quote? I am sure I have heard it before. I never really got the whole "propaganda" accusation, and Walshe's translation of Digha always hit home for me. Different strokes I suppose. It is generally accepted by scholars and B.Bhodi...
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

This thread is about Nāgārjuna & I am pointing to what is practical versus creating a dogma. The Buddha practically taught the physical body is impermanent because it is something the mind attaches to as 'self', which creates suffering. But once we enter into dogmatic views such as the element of e...
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:18 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Unlike craving, earth element cannot vanish. Its destruction cannot be observed. That is possibly why they are called The Four Great Elements. Do you mean to say that the earth element is permanent? Do the Pali suttas explicitly say anywhere the earth element is impermanent? Or do they only say the...
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

CecilN wrote:Unlike craving, earth element cannot vanish. Its destruction cannot be observed. That is possibly why they are called The Four Great Elements.
Do you mean to say that the earth element is permanent?
by Bakmoon
Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:41 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 236
Views: 15766

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

The earth element changes form, so what? How does it follow from this that the earth element is inherently real? It does not. But it also does not prove earth element is inherently unreal. I doubt the Buddha concerned himself with such matters. In DN 11 it is said the question about "where does the...