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by seeker242
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why not take refuge in Nibbana?
Replies: 16
Views: 305

Re: Why not take refuge in Nibbana?

We DO take refuge in Nibbana, via taking refuge in the Buddha. Bhikkhu Bodhi explains: The Buddha as refuge can be considered first. On one level the word "Buddha" refers to a particular figure — the man Siddhattha Gotama who lived in India in the fifth century B.C. When we take refuge in the Buddha...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

If it weren’t painful it would just be a meaningless sensation. The Buddha still experienced pleasurable, painful and neutral feelings. Feelings are inherently dukkha. What was removed was ignorance in relation to them. And with the removal of ignorance, there is simultaneously the removal of suffe...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

Because he is struck by the first dart, not the 2nd. Which means he didn't suffer as the 2nd dart is itself the suffering. The first dart is simply mere sensation. If it weren’t painful it would just be a meaningless sensation. The Buddha still experienced pleasurable, painful and neutral feelings....
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

painful, fierce, sharp, wracking, repellent, disagreeable — but he endured them mindful, alert, & unperturbed How can one suffer and be unperturbed at the same time? It's not possible. To suffer means to be perturbed, not to be unperturbed. If you are unperturbed, then you are not suffering. Becaus...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

painful, fierce, sharp, wracking, repellent, disagreeable — but he endured them mindful, alert, & unperturbed
How can one suffer and be unperturbed at the same time? It's not possible. To suffer means to be perturbed, not to be unperturbed. If you are unperturbed, then you are not suffering.
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

Except the Buddha defined pain as dukkha and had to endure it. The Buddha defined pain as dukkha, for an ordinary person , not inherently. The sutta quoted is referencing, as it says, those who have yet to cultivate the path. That is not applicable for the Buddha. If the Buddha did not experience d...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

Except the Buddha defined pain as dukkha and had to endure it. The Buddha defined pain as dukkha, for an ordinary person , not inherently. The sutta quoted is referencing, as it says, those who have yet to cultivate the path. That is not applicable for the Buddha. Nothing in the sutta supports that...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

Yet he had to endure it. He felt the first dart of suffering, not the 2nd. He felt pain, not suffering. He was able to endure pain because it did not cause suffering. What is the cause of suffering? Clinging. The Buddha does not engage in any clinging and therefore cannot suffer. Except the Buddha ...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

"Monks, there are these three kinds of suffering.[1] What three? Suffering caused by pain,[2] suffering caused by the formations (or conditioned existence),[3] suffering due to change.[4] It is for the full comprehension, clear understanding, ending and abandonment of these three forms of suffering...
by seeker242
Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddha and dukkha
Replies: 92
Views: 987

Re: Buddha and dukkha

"Monks, there are these three kinds of suffering.[1] What three? Suffering caused by pain,[2] suffering caused by the formations (or conditioned existence),[3] suffering due to change.[4] It is for the full comprehension, clear understanding, ending and abandonment of these three forms of suffering...
by seeker242
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Sex is always unwholesome
Replies: 73
Views: 2280

Re: Sex is always unwholesome

You could easily say it's always unwholesome as it's not going to lead you to enlightenment. However, some things are much more unwholesome than others. On a scale of 1-10, sex that is not sexual misconduct, is quite low on the list.
by seeker242
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Is the Jain stance on nonviolence more compelling then the Buddhist viewpoint?
Replies: 25
Views: 1190

Re: Is the Jain stance on nonviolence more compelling then the Buddhist viewpoint?

weak wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:34 pm
would the Buddhist viewpoint be sympathetic to the warped moral codes of the vigilante general public who demand mob justice?
There is no reason to think that it would.
by seeker242
Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:30 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Slaughterhouse workers
Replies: 52
Views: 1726

Re: Slaughterhouse workers

:focus: :popcorn: Ok! :D Another good article on the topic "The harrowing psychological toll of slaughterhouse work" "The psychological toll this takes on a person cannot be underestimated. Slaughterhouse work has been linked to a variety of disorders, including PTSD and the lesser-known PITS (perp...
by seeker242
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Slaughterhouse workers
Replies: 52
Views: 1726

Re: Slaughterhouse workers

No it's not, but as lay people if you follow 5 precepts you are called a virtuous lay follower, meat eater or not :) Yes, but the issue does not concern the precepts to begin with. It doesn't have anything to do with the precepts or even kamma. The animals in question, that are being killed, don't ...