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by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

I'll better end with Mahasi quote ) In nibbāna there are no such things as mind or mental concomitants, which can be met with in the sense-sphere or form-sphere. It naturally follows that mind and matter that belong to the thirty-one planes of existence are totally absent in nibbāna. However, some w...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

where did you supposedly disprove it the usefulness? Starting from here . But for some strange reason (I think this is just a denial, unwillingness to accept a mistake) you can't understand an obvious thing that a particular phenomenon's cessation can be easily observed (fire simile), and as I've a...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

How about #3 where you can neither comprehend nor disprove what i am saying? I've already disproved what you are saying (concerning the "usefulness" of "eternal mind"), but you keep saying exactly the same thing as you did before that - and since we start going in circles, discussion is closed by f...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhikkhu Sujato's Four Nikaya translations as Ebooks—October 2018
Replies: 42
Views: 1264

Re: Bhikkhu Sujato's Four Nikaya translations as Ebooks—October 2018

And the choices are made out of biases.
Speaking of which... translating "sankharas" as "choices"? Really? Well, yes, I'm still using Ven. Bodhi versions too. Haven't found anything more precise yet. :reading:
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

This is not sakkaya-ditthi at all beause this is not a heaven or a world wherein a soul lives, nor is it a soul of a being or a state of a being We go in circles. Main question is very simple: either you are an eternalist (if you think this is a "state of arahant after death"), or you introduce add...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

Therefore when you say that the mind of an arahant experiences through the allness of the all and is the vinnanam anidassanam you are disproven by contradiction. See Ven. Bodhi translation. No "experience", but "partakes in". actually whole of samsara is conditioned and whatever situation of non-ex...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

But this is contradicted by MN 49 directly, which says that Vinnanam Anidassanam is not experienced thru allness of the all. Phrasing there is, again "partake in" -- [allness of the all]. The mind of the Arahant is experienced thru allness of the all. His mind experiences (get contact and feelings)...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

Id rather hear your explaination because Bhikkhu Bodhi is neither an authority nor is he here to answer questions. Surely it is better if you can speak for yourself. He explains it well, and I agree with what he says, so I don't see a reason why I shouldn't post it ) Furthermore VInnanam Anidassana...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

ridiculous view. The Arahant is not without name and form and his sense faculties only arise in dependence on name and form, the aggregates are conjoined with name and form and The Arahant is not without aggregates. So how on earth could you say that namarupa does not get a footing therein. I didn'...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

And what in your view is the right way? Ven. Bodhi, Ven. Sujato, Ven. Brahmali explained it in a right way. To be short, how they puts: this Vinnayam Adissanam is an arahant's mind, it is boundless, luminous, etc etc, name-and-form doesn't get footing in it (which means there is no craving which wo...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

If there was not unmade then cessation of X would be impossible; Okay, I see your point. However, your are wrong, because we can easily see the cessation of anything simply by the very fact of cessation. You have this experience ten times a day actually .) Things cease, and you see they've gone. No...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

Because souls go to heaven or exists in this world as part of a being. I'm not talking about christian concept of a soul. Please see what Buddha described as "atta". This is just what you are defending here, while Buddha strongly criticized that. And again, if you say that this your "super-vinnyana...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

soul is without duration and supporting conditions? can a soul exist without a world wherein it exists? Precisely. In all eternalstic/annihilationistic theories Atta (soul) is an unconditioned part of a living being. Everything depends on conditions, but this thing is "always there" and does not ch...
by Zom
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

consciousness in this doctrine is defined as six classes of consciousness and has namarupa as it's supporting condition and this consciousness is impermanent. Vinnana Anidassanam is without duration, without supporting conditions and is stable, boundless, illuminous all around. These are different ...
by Zom
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 121
Views: 3891

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

Baseless accusations, for i explained how consciousness is not the same thing as consciosness unestablished. I also explained how consciousness associated with contact is of six kinds. This explanation is incorrect. Please read MN 38. View that nibbana = consiousness is eternalism. Sitting to one s...