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by Zom
Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:24 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

"But, lord, might there be agitation over what is internally not present?" "There might, monk," the Blessed One said. "There is the case where someone has this view: 'This cosmos is the self. After death this I will be constant, permanent, eternal, not subject to change. I will stay just like that ...
by Zom
Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:39 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

"If a monk abandons passion for the property of (whatever object), then owing to the abandonment of passion, the support is cut off, and there is no landing of consciousness. Consciousness, thus not having landed, not increasing, not concocting, is released. Owing to its release, it is steady. Owin...
by Zom
Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:05 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

When you are in any of those events, sleeping, unconscious, in a coma, your senses cease to function due to the absence of your mental self. Good example. Does that mean that the state of coma or deep sleep as any unconscious state equals to nibbana (to be more exact - parinibbana)? =) One one hand...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:57 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

Because permanence of any sort isn't a factual reality. The Suttas, time and again, hammer this point home, and consciousness is no exception.
Yes, but this doesn't "touch" this out-of-world consciousness which will be ever after arahant's death.
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:22 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

I admit that Ajahn Thanissaro nowhere explicitly states that there is a some kind of High Self. But when talking about High Self he always mean any self, belonging to this world (that could exist in The All). However, if he says that nibbana is this out-of-5-aggregates consciousness of an individual...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:44 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

Consciousness is not Nibbana. Consciousness (citta) takes Nibbana as an object. They are different paramattha dhammas. To conflate consciousness as Nibbana is to reify consciousness and fall into the trap of eternalism. Yes, I know that point of view. But here Ajahn Thanissaro has another, and he s...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:27 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

In this context the term takes on the flavor of upaya As I see from Ajahn Thanissaro explanation in this footnote, he doesn't say that this is an "upaya". Оn the contrarу, here and in many other suttas in his comments it is seen that he develops a theory that this type of consciousness is actually ...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:56 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

I read that already (as well as other his articles, books, comments), but it doesn't change the matter, that actually he is talking that there IS a self as an individual continuence of being after the perishing of the 5 aggregates (to say so.. a self that can't be classified in the terms of "The All...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:20 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

He points out that opinion "there is no self" is invalid. But acutally I think there are only 2 possibilites: either there is or there is not. As I understood, he says that arahant consciousness, freed from 5 aggregates, continues to be, and that is why opinion "there is no self" is wrong. So we can...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is this "heart" that is released?
Replies: 27
Views: 3321

Re: What is this "heart" that is released?

Thanks, very interesting passage, I never met before. Though there is a version that this released mind is outside of the 5 aggregates and so it does not perish after death of arahant. Just gave a link.. > http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4051&view=unread#p59642" onclick="window.open(this...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:06 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Confusion about eternally of "soul"
Replies: 64
Views: 8301

Re: Confusion about eternally of "soul"

Ajahn Thanissaro, as far as I understood, argues, that actually there IS a self.

Read footnotes 13 and 14 in this sutta (translated from pali by himself):

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... n.html#t-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is this "heart" that is released?
Replies: 27
Views: 3321

Re: What is this "heart" that is released?

The most interesting question is whether this released mind continues "to be" after the death of enlightened person. I found quite strong arguments for both variants and came to the conclusion that I have no fixed opinion about that..
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Privileged woman, poor man
Replies: 28
Views: 3927

Re: Privileged woman, poor man

How can this agree with this? : These are different things, because here we meet speaking in conventional truth and ultimate truth. This is a mistake to mix these. In conventional truth there IS a man and a woman and they differ in their faculties, they are not "the same" (that's why it is said tha...
by Zom
Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Privileged woman, poor man
Replies: 28
Views: 3927

Re: Privileged woman, poor man

However, the suggestion by Kajiyama (70) that “the dictum that a woman is incapable of becoming a Buddha arose probably in the first century B.C.” may be putting things at too late a time. Heh.. if one follows such a postion, one may say that all suttas are not Buddha words, but were composed many ...
by Zom
Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Privileged woman, poor man
Replies: 28
Views: 3927

Re: Privileged woman, poor man

It also makes sense, because the Buddha said that a Supreme Buddha can only be a Man. Not only ... : It is impossible that a woman should be the perfect rightfully Enlightened One. It is possible that a man should be the perfect rightfully Enlightened One. It is impossible that a woman should be th...