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by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:11 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

PSS: Actually this view that "dhammas" have no real essense has lead Mahayanists to a view, that there is no need to leave samsara, we just need to "cleanse" our view of it, and thus we'll find ourselves in nibbana (which is samsara in Buddha's view). From here > Eternal Buddha's Fields, Emanation ...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I found the passage confusing -- it seems to set up existence as a real (if unappealing) thing that can be gotten rid of. It's not a thing, it's a state of affairs. Eternalism & annihilationism are related to Self-views, not to things existing and then ending. Suffering exists , for example ("It is...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:14 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Of course; does this knowledge mean knowledge of paticcasamuppada but without grokking the mainline understanding of bhava? --- Is it just me, or do we indeed find many examples of the Buddha converting various other wanderers & brahmins, but not so much annihilationist wanderers? They were said to ...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:50 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, an arahant is sitting there, looking at paticcasamuppada rolling along, without the ability to see past lives. The arahant is still sitting there, and looking on, without the ability to see beings re-arise in various ways. How can this be understood? Who knows what paticcasamuppada looks like t...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:35 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, an arahant is sitting there, looking at paticcasamuppada rolling along, without the ability to see past lives. The arahant is still sitting there, and looking on, without the ability to see beings re-arise in various ways.

How can this be understood?
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

My thinking was that the arahant knows that the ending of dukkha has occurred, though the body may yet stand as a condition for unpleasant feeling. But that's only temporary, and when it ends there's just no more fuel around for such things, whether or not it would have happened. Maybe it's too thin...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

For the sake of argument, let's say someone is agnostic about rebirth and they practice diligently and attain arahantship. Are they then still agnostic about rebirth? SN 12.70 applies here. It demonstrates that for some arahants (most? could it be... ALL of them?) the regularity of the Dhamma is se...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4714
Views: 332157

Re: the great vegetarian debate

For documentaries there's also Our Daily Bread as well as Food, Inc. These may be better for the soft at heart.
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:42 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, to get around a rebirth-necessity in the case of a null bomb or a death doctor, begin from the foundation that agnosticism prevails in all cases of post-death assertions. This also removes post-death promises from being considered as primary goals since the Dhamma is unique in offering a 'here a...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:32 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

You mean, how does nibbana resist the claim of being the same as this 'null bomb'?

...let's see, I'll sleep on it...
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:09 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I'm somewhat underwhelmed; I'm not sure the distinctions being made actually exist, and there's just really vague phrasing in general that makes me want to sit them down and have a good chat about some basics.
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:42 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 6835

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

The author sets up a few different phrasings for the Dhamma's purpose in order to explore some axiology. X is the ultimate good. In other words, only X is intrinsically good; everything else that counts as good is only instrumentally or constitutively good to the extent that it contributes to the at...
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 1591

Re: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada

Mkoll wrote:Deja vu? ;)
Well, at least I didn't ramble on and on this time.
by daverupa
Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada
Replies: 23
Views: 1591

Re: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada

It's confidence/trust in what one is having described to oneself; it is enough trust such that, in the Dhamma's specifically pragmatic theory of knowledge, one has the foundation simply to begin an investigation.
by daverupa
Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:29 am
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: What music are you listening to right now?
Replies: 2011
Views: 202163

Re: What music are you listening to right now?

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