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by frank k
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:15 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Even when Vism. Earth Kasina First Jhāna is redefining 'vitakka', it still should be translated as 'thinking'!
Replies: 0
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Even when Vism. Earth Kasina First Jhāna is redefining 'vitakka', it still should be translated as 'thinking'!

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2020/02/even-when-vism-earth-kasina-first-jhana.html excerpt: Even when Vism. Earth Kasina First Jhāna is redefining 'vitakka', it still should be translated as 'thinking'! Quoted below is Nanamolis Eng. translation of the Vism. passage in question. He translat...
by frank k
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:14 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Attention Abhidhamma experts, where in Abhdhamma is vitakka ever defined as "initial application"?
Replies: 13
Views: 744

Re: Attention Abhidhamma experts, where in Abhdhamma is vitakka ever defined as "initial application"?

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2020/02/even-when-vism-earth-kasina-first-jhana.html excerpt: Even when Vism. Earth Kasina First Jhāna is redefining 'vitakka', it still should be translated as 'thinking'! Quoted below is Nanamolis Eng. translation of the Vism. passage in question. He translat...
by frank k
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:34 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Vimutti magga all 38 meditation subjects
Replies: 0
Views: 122

Vimutti magga all 38 meditation subjects

https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2020/02/all-38-meditation-subjects-of-vimutti.html excerpt: All 38 meditation subjects of the Vimutti magga, and the 6 higher knowledges If you really want to understand how vitakka, rupa, kaya, got corrupted by Vism. and late Abhidhamma, Vimuttimagga makes it ...
by frank k
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:17 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: comprehensive definition of 'sati', 'sampajano', 'vitakka & vicara', 'upekkha'
Replies: 17
Views: 699

Re: comprehensive definition of 'sati', 'sampajano', 'vitakka & vicara', 'upekkha'

... That's not true, " vossagga " in SN 48.10 has a very different meaning from "relaxation". One makes " vossagga " the basis ( ārammaṇa ) of meditative composure. Hi Assaji, could you expand in detail exactly how you understand that to mean? B. Bodhi's and Thanissaro's translation of that are som...
by frank k
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:00 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: comprehensive definition of 'sati', 'sampajano', 'vitakka & vicara', 'upekkha'
Replies: 17
Views: 699

comprehensive definition of 'sati', 'sampajano', 'vitakka & vicara', 'upekkha'

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by frank k
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

... The key question is at what point do they enter and leave jhana . Clearly, in a Commentary interpretation, they would leave jhana before the "He understands thus..." passage. :heart: Mike https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2020/02/s-v-upekkha-comprehensive-definitions.html see the hyperlink ...
by frank k
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:44 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

Well, yes, that's the main thing we should be concerned about, that the Vism. contradicts the meaning and understanding of an EBT standard. The EBT passage you quote below is really the only metta (and brahmavihara) instruction given everywhere in the EBT. Look up the Vism. gloss of how they underst...
by frank k
Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:47 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

You can read the OP (original first post in this thread) again, or even look at the title that's in front of every msg in this thread, which I'll now cut and paste here for emphasis: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana? The conclusion is, you can't. If you're in vism. first jhana, all you have ...
by frank k
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:32 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

Certainly no possibilty of thinking about different beings and so on- that can only ocur pre-jhana. The only question then is what is the object during jhana in the case of metta. All Abhidhamma books I know say the object is a being(s). Why do you think it cannot be an object? Of course, you canno...
by frank k
Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

Mike, you're not reading what I wrote carefully, and you don't understand the specific issues. Best to stop commenting on this thread until you do. And you need to stop with the black and white division of people who do "deep" jhana versus people trying to argue for "shallow" jhana. The world is mor...
by frank k
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

I don't know where it says off hand, but I'm sure it says it somewhere. Both Vimt. and Vism. say one can do metta from first 3 jhanas only, not 4th jhana. But in EBT and Vimt., "doing metta" involves being able to actively will, perceive your recipients, direction, and so forth. Vism., once it refer...
by frank k
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:48 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

Why can't you practice Metta in first Jhana? You find wholesome Vitakka and Vicara in first Jhana. That's the whole point of my thread. In EBT sutta, and even in Vimt., which uses an earlier less corrupt form of Abhidhamma, the 3 samma sankappa's correspond to the 3 right thoughts, one of which is ...
by frank k
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Samma Sati and Yoniso Manasikara?
Replies: 110
Views: 8369

Re: What is the difference between Samma Sati and Yoniso Manasikara?

Yoniso Manasikara is a well judged intension where the subject is four foundation of mindfulness. Samma sati is right recollection . Yoniso manasikara comes before samma sati. You can't really split them up and have clean division of duties. They overlap quite a bit. Maybe the best way to understan...
by frank k
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How did monks arouse energy for the task at hand?
Replies: 14
Views: 325

Re: How did monks arouse energy for the task at hand?

One of the main methods is marana sati (collection of passages here) http://lucid24.org/sted/maranassati/index.html excerpt: maraṇa-s-sati 💀 = death-remembering ‘appamattā viharissāma, tikkhaṃ maraṇassatiṃ bhāvessāma āsavānaṃ khayāyā’ti. (AN 6.19) 1. Never forget, remembering to assiduously practice...
by frank k
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:38 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?
Replies: 39
Views: 875

Re: how do you do metta in vism. first jhana?

... Hi MIke, I have already read what Vism. and Vimt. says about doing metta while in 3rd jhana. Vimt. makes sense: one has vitakka (thinking thoughts of metta) while doing first jhana with metta. Same as EBT. Vism.: doesn't make sense. You have to be in access concentration, not 3rd jhana, to be d...