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by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

Accepting something is very different from wanting it. I dont want it to rain heavily when I'm out walking, but I have to accept it. Clearly there's no point in getting upset about the weather and taking it personally, it's just nature - it's inevitable. And the same applies to old age and death, t...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 537
Views: 111398

Re: Jhana

attained once-return (which requires some jhanas Not necessary. The janas are necessary to reach the level of anagami and Arahant. Not according to the suttas. "There is the case where a monk is wholly accomplished in virtue, moderately accomplished in concentration, and moderately accomplished in ...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 537
Views: 111398

Re: Jhana

Sensual desires are one of the hindrances for attaining the first jhana. Yes, when they arise in meditation. Do you have sex when you meditate? No. It is about the complete removal of the mind from sensual pleasures in life, and not only during meditation. If it were enough to get rid of sensual de...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:10 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 537
Views: 111398

Re: Jhana

Antaradhana wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:05 pm Sensual desires are one of the hindrances for attaining the first jhana.
Yes, when they arise in meditation. Do you have sex when you meditate?
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

There are two issues here. Nibbana, and how to attain it. You seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't fully embrace your interpretations then they have no interest in Nibbana. I have never said anything like that. All I said is that you simply can't wish to be in Samsara (and accept and bare it)...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

Here we go, the beginning of the semantics game. So why would anyone take on pain in the first place? Because they don't see the drawbacks (hence seeing drawbacks as in the girimanda sutta, or asuba practices). Therefore they've made a calculation in their head that taking on pain is worth the bene...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:43 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 537
Views: 111398

Re: Jhana

Thankfully we have the suttas to clarify such matters. Celibacy is required for higher jhanas, but not for, to my knowledge, the first 3 jhanas. Already for the attainment of the first Jhana, it is necessary to leave unwholesome states of mind, such as anger and a desire to cause harm, as well as a...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

There are two issues here. Nibbana, and how to attain it. You seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't fully embrace your interpretations then they have no interest in Nibbana. I have never said anything like that. All I said is that you simply can't wish to be in Samsara (and accept and bare it)...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

The Arrow Sutta makes the distinction between the first arrow (bodily pain) and the second arrow (mental anguish or dukkha) which arises when there is resistance to the bodily pain. Resistance is non-acceptance. The same principle applies to the physical pain and discomfort associated with old age ...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

You're playing the semantics game, and it is a petty game to play in order to derail a topic. Masochism does not only mean sexual gratification, in common usage it can also mean one who willingly endures pain. No, I'm not "playing the semantics game"; the point is an important substantive one in th...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

The implication is as follows. If you throw me into a pit of fire and I accept you throwing me into it, I can bear the throwing in bit, but that says nothing about whether I can accept the experience of being burned by the fire. If I'm in a pit of fire and I accept being burned by the fire, then I ...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

If something is accepted, then it's not unbearable. Birth, death and suffering might seem to be unbearable because we have not accepted them. So if I throw you into a pit of fire and you accept it, you can bare it? The Arrow Sutta makes the distinction between the first arrow (bodily pain) and the ...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

If something is accepted, then it's not unbearable. Birth, death and suffering might seem to be unbearable because we have not accepted them. So if I throw you into a pit of fire and you accept it, you can bare it? The implication is as follows. If you throw me into a pit of fire and I accept you t...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?
Replies: 58
Views: 2763

Re: What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is?

What if we accept birth, death and suffering as it is? Without large amounts of medical grade opiates, such acceptance seems unbearable. If something is accepted, then it's not unbearable. Birth, death and suffering might seem to be unbearable because we have not accepted them. So if I throw you in...
by budo
Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:18 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 537
Views: 111398

Re: Jhana

I think we think Upacara Samadhi to be Jhana, or Apana Samadhi to be Jhana, but Ajahn Martin said that Some great monks needed 17 years of hard practice in caves to attain Jhanas... Unless you developed it in previous lives, but it seems to me impossible while keeping only 5 precepts and keeping se...