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by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:13 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 298
Views: 16928

Re: Jhana

Fear doesn't arise in first jhana, it can arise in 4th jhana when you stop breathing and other nimittas arise. It cannot occur in a stable first jhana. Just as other obstacles cannot arise with a stable first jhana, and even more so in the second, third and fourth. I disagree, an 10.72 shows that t...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Even Mahasi Sayadaw (who follows Visuddhimagga's intrepretation of path and fruit) says King Ajatasattu has been spared hell. After hearing the sermon, Ajatasattu formally declared himself a disciple of the Buddha. He would have attained the first stage on the path but for his patricide. Neverthele...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Even Mahasi Sayadaw (who follows Visuddhimagga's intrepretation of path and fruit) says King Ajatasattu has been spared hell. After hearing the sermon, Ajatasattu formally declared himself a disciple of the Buddha. He would have attained the first stage on the path but for his patricide. Nevertheles...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

"One who has conviction & belief that these phenomena are this way is called a faith-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in h...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

@Ruud, And more "One who has conviction & belief that these phenomena are this way is called a faith-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Stating that one has to be beyond doubt (in other words: an Ariya) in order to be able to take refuge seems a rather unorthodox position, one I do not see proof for in the suttas. Faith Followers are Ariyas, and are not beyond doubt as they have not attained fruition yet. Take another person who do...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

. It seems to me, having faith 'pasaada' in the three refuges and possessing the five precepts are just the beginning of being a Buddhist, entering the stream of Buddhism (Cf. Choong Mun-keat, The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism , pp. 228-235). You're well read, and probably know more than ...
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:26 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 298
Views: 16928

Re: Jhana

Pondera wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:24 am
Okay. So, by your lack of response I’ll just assume all of those jhana features are accomplished by the theme you take up. Well done! Indeed!!!
I was in the process of responding to you. Yes I get the jhana factors like piti, sukha, passadhi, etc..
by budo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:21 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 298
Views: 16928

Re: Jhana

Usually breath and brahma viharas, usually appreciation works best for me out of all brahma viharas. The other brahma viharas are better for tackling hindrances at deeper levels like fear of dying which can arise at deep absorption levels. I've had infinite space a few times, although rarely, by fo...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Thus, going for refuge in the 3 gems is meaningless if you're not first an Ariya. There are multiple examples in the Canon when puthujjana declared going for refuge in the presence of the Buddha, and Buddha didn't say it was meaningless. Moreover Buddha himself introduced declaration of going for r...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

More evidence that one goes for refuge AFTER ariyahood (attaining right view): The Buddha Vipassī taught them step by step, with a talk on giving, ethical conduct, and heaven. He explained the drawbacks of sensual pleasures, so sordid and corrupt, and the benefit of renunciation. And when he knew th...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Furthermore if you're not an Ariya, you're an outsider: "Nandiya, the person in whom the factors of stream entry are altogether & in every way lacking I call an outsider, one who stands in the faction of the run-of-the-mill. But as to how a disciple of the noble ones lives heedlessly and heedfully, ...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Candala = outcaste That is just a translation. “Pañcahi, bhikkhave, dhammehi samannāgato upāsako upāsaka caṇḍālo ca hoti upāsaka malañca upāsaka patikuṭṭho ca. Clearly, Buddha refers to such a person as a lay follower (upāsaka). But anyway, the most clear position of the Buddha about whom to count ...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Yes, refuge is all what needed for becoming a follower of the Buddha, not the right view. Buddha even said there are caṇḍāla lay followers: Bhikkhus, possessing five qualities, a lay follower is a caṇḍāla of a lay follower, a stain of a lay follower, the last among lay followers. What five? (1) He ...
by budo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist
Replies: 72
Views: 1924

Re: Ritual for becoming a Buddhist

Refuge is all that's needed to become a lay follower, more is needed to start following the path. Faith is the very beginning of following the path. All that is needed is faith to establish the path, regardless of being a lay follower or not. Take another person who doesn’t have experiential confid...