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by Sunrise
Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enlightenment in Theravada
Replies: 22
Views: 2636

Re: Enlightenment in Theravada

Are there sudden realizations along the gradual path? Through hearing this brief explanation of the Dhamma from the Blessed One, the mind of Bahiya of the Bark-cloth right then and there was released from the effluents through lack of clinging/sustenance. Bahiya Sutta Although some scholars think t...
by Sunrise
Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

Basically, it is one opinion versus another. No one said otherwise :shrug: Can Buddhism exist if rebirth is proven to be false? If proving rebirth false were possible, something would exist, but it would be not quite be the Buddha's teachings. Good luck chasing your own tail rebirth cannot be prove...
by Sunrise
Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

tiltbillings wrote:You can follow the precepts, you can practice meditation without believing in rebirth. That is not an issue, but the Buddha taught rebirth. It is part of his teachings.
Are you getting off topic tiltbillings?
by Sunrise
Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

And so, according to you, mundane right view and sila are not central parts of the dhamma, right? I take it you also reject the Buddha's "graduated path".... Let me repeat. Belief in rebirth is NOT central, essential, inseparable (whatever) part to Buddhism. Belief in rebirth is not an integral par...
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

He's trolling
Hanzze wrote: :rules: haha dont get me wrong, just a troll. No waiting, rules!
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:59 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?
Replies: 55
Views: 7860

Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Did I say there was something wrong? I merely suggested that you read it since you said you haven't. :juggling:
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:33 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?
Replies: 55
Views: 7860

Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

To be honest no. How about reading it then? Just a thought Consciousness arises based on sense bases. It is sensory cognition "Were someone to say, 'I will describe a coming, a going, a passing away, an arising, a growth, an increase, or a proliferation of consciousness apart from form, from feelin...
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:32 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?
Replies: 55
Views: 7860

Re: WHO MADE CONSCIOUSNESS?

Hanzze wrote: Just take it as a merit of your past life.
Did you at least read the quotes posted by bodom?
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

Hanzze wrote: Both good and bad karma will keep you in the circle and dont believe that you are not able to get it fixed in that live while busy to make good kamma will bring you away of the moment :-)
:rolleye:
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

Neither reincarnation exists or not, the point is to come in the moment. From both views only that is free of suffering. (opinion) I am not sure why you quoted me but this is what I have been saying if you really followed my posts. Simply said, belief in rebirth (or reincarnation) is not "an essent...
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

retrofuturist wrote:
"This being is bound to samsara, karma is his means for going beyond." (SN I, 38.)
Thus do good deeds to gather good kamma so that you get a favorable future rebirth with space to practice more dhamma. A belief that motivates morality
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:42 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: the 5th precept
Replies: 60
Views: 15921

Re: the 5th precept

That we do not easy understand the precepts today because we are very interpretation orientated. We loose in the interpretation while we oversee the point. The roots of the precepts is compassion. When we stay at compassion we will see that even we misinterpret something we cause suffering. So that...
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

Not that anyone here has shown. Has the Buddha said somewhere that it is impossible or useless to practice dhamma without believing in life after death? That is a very different question stating: The suttas clearly state that rebirth belief is a mundane teaching for morality and is not a part of th...
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

tiltbillings wrote:Not that anyone here has shown.
Has the Buddha said somewhere that it is impossible or useless to practice dhamma without believing in life after death? :smile:
by Sunrise
Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6793
Views: 731109

Re: Can Buddhism exist without the doctrine of reincarnation?

If you did all that, and read all that, and came to the conclusion that rebirth and kamma are not core teachings, then who am I to argue? :) I don't know. Who are you? :shrug: Yes, rebirth is by no means central to the 4 noble truths. You can apply the noble truths to a single lifetime, to the pres...