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by dhamma_spoon
Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:47 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Wholesome, taints and sense restraint

Perhaps we should start a topic on restraint, wholesome behaviour, removal of the taints? Hi, Asura Vepacitta and all - Thank you for the wholesome initiation. :soap: Below I provide the necessary sutta background to assist us in this discussion. 1. Wholesome and Unwholesome "Killing living beings ...
by dhamma_spoon
Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:45 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

:stirthepot: Isn't you're arm tired yet?! :tongue: Perhaps we should start a topic on restraint, wholesome behaviour, removal of the taints? I'm down. I'll look for it tomorrow. Good discussion everyone. Hi, SDC and Asura - Good point! Yes, I'm tired too (stirring the Dhamma pot for too long)! Okay...
by dhamma_spoon
Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:40 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

Perhaps we should start a topic on restraint, wholesome behaviour, removal of the taints? Hi Asura Vepacitta - Please do! Let me provide an excellent source of sutta that treats both wholesomeness and taints ! http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.009.ntbb.html" onclick="window.open(this.hr...
by dhamma_spoon
Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:20 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

I see that danger too -- the danger of biasedness. Yes, an unwholesome sanna (perception, label) CAN make the mind tend to "dwell" in a wrong (unwholesome) domain. Would you suggest that a) we develop positive sanna, or 2) we completely abandon sanna? So funny that you say this. I was reviewing Ven...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:49 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

"What was Fonzie?" "C ... cool?" "That's right - Fonzie was cool. So that's what we're all gonna be right now. We're gonna be cool." -Pulp Fiction 8-) Speaking of term - unwholesome v wholesome - I understand (really!) that people can change. Whether they actually do or not - well - it's rare in my...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

A monk or a gangster does not have kusala or akusala dhamma. Conditions arise. Those conditions can be describe as kusala or akusala...those conditions are not a person characterised by kusala and akusala. My job, my responsibility, as I see it is me. Not them. A monks positive qualities or otherwi...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:28 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

Let's agree to stay with the conventional language throughout this discussion. [No smoke screen, please.] I am willing to honor this, but I am speaking in the way I think. Hi, SDC - I think this well-written reply of yours is cool. So, let's continue our friendly conversation here. SDC: "I apologiz...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:27 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

I would like to get to the point where this is a back and forth, one post each. So I am going to wait to till you respond to my last post before I post a gain just to make this easier. Dhamma spoon: Good idea, SDC. I am going to reply to the last post you wrote below. -------------------- I don't r...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:09 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

In varying degrees most people have characteristics that would be considered unwholesome according to the dhamma. If they have one unwholesome characteristic are they an unwholesome person, and vise versa? Once again as I said earlier, people have a wide variety of characteristics and tendencies, n...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:49 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

Quick answer - Because there is no self in the body of that person to accept or not accept. I'll be back in about an hour to elaborate or comment on your retort. Sorry, SDC. Your quick answer is not acceptable. Please read my whole post first. Thanks. I read it all, this is what I chose to comment ...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:08 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

For the sake of general conversation, reference and just plain speech - use of the word "self" is okey dokey. Even the Tathagata himself used self "atta" when refering to himself or others. It's a referent. As to unwholesome - I dunno that it's so very unskillful to use that word - it's certainly u...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:39 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

Why is the "same person" quite acceptable one time, but unacceptable later on? Quick answer - Because there is no self in the body of that person to accept or not accept. I'll be back in about an hour to elaborate or comment on your retort. Sorry, SDC. Your quick answer is not acceptable. Please re...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:25 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

That was rather the point I was attempting to make SDC. That to label people as wholesome or unwholesome is deeply...unskillful. I think one problem here is cultural. Dhamma Spoons cultural norms may differ from most westerners. I think another is linguistic. True. But all in all its good to be pat...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:30 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

Spare me the condescending tone sunshine. You look to your kusalas and akusalas and Ill look to mine. How about that. Okay, PeterB, I can live with that suggestion. No hard feeling. :hug: But please believe me that I did not have a condescending attitude towards you. To educate? Yes. To look down u...
by dhamma_spoon
Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:18 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: difficult situation
Replies: 53
Views: 4997

Re: difficult situation

A monk or a gangster does not have kusala or akusala dhamma. Conditions arise. Those conditions can be describe as kusala or akusala...those conditions are not a person characterised by kusala and akusala. My job, my responsibility, as I see it is me. Not them. A monks positive qualities or otherwi...