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by zavk
Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:51 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

..........not to disparage 'Western Buddhism' as such, since I am participating in it too, but merely in hope of encouraging curiosity about the stories of other Buddhists that may be effaced/subjugated/denigrated, even if unwittingly, by the story 'Western Buddhism' narrates about itself. Ok, then...
by zavk
Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:37 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Let me then try to illustrate these metaphors of ‘white’ and ‘framing’ in terms of my own experience. As I’ve mentioned I have a ‘Chinese’ ancestral heritage. But I grew up in an environment where I was thoroughly educated in English. Because I generally spoke English at home and preferred Western p...
by zavk
Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:36 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Actually, you were the one who first evoked the term ‘race’, not me. Although I can certainly see the rationale for extracting a ‘racial’ thematic in this thread, given that the OP highlights the discussion in Lopez’s book about historical European attitudes towards Asian Buddhist customs and my own...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:46 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Thank you to those who are picking up on salient points and the objective of the initial posts and subsequent clarifications. I took it as a continuation of the discussions we have had about the origins of modern/western Buddhism, the back-and-forth between colonial attitudes and locals, and the way...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:43 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Greetings, Yes, and I don't know if I am not making myself clear enough, or if you don't want to get it or just cannot get it. But what I have been trying to highlight so far is the need to pay attention to how conceptual groupings still work today in various subtle ways - especially when this habi...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Greetings, What if others respond by saying that your inability to see what's wrong, your desire not to complicate things, is precisely a part of the problem? If they did, I would tell them I can see plenty that's wrong, and that I do my best to ensure that I don't personally contribute to wrongdoi...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:15 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Greetings, I don't know what's wrong with just regarding people as people... maybe I'm over-simplifying things, but it works for me and those I engage with. Metta, Retro. :) That's the thorny issue, the difficult challenge. What if others respond by saying that your inability to see what's wrong, y...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:00 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

I'm not denying this didn't happen, but who specifically? Henry Olcott, Helena Blavatsky? http://www.amazon.com/British-Discovery-Buddhism-Philip-Almond/dp/0521033853 http://www.amazon.com/Making-Buddhist-Modernism-David-McMahan/dp/0195183274 http://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Science-Guide-Perplexed-M...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:02 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

Greetings, Whilst I can see the dangers of needlessly dwelling over such issues, in recognition of my own privilege, I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to suggest to marginalised groups like the Aborigines in Australia or African or Native Americans or whoever that they are dwelling needlessly on suc...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:37 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Re: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

I see where you are coming from about the problems and limitations of dwelling on certain narratives of hurt/injustice, etc. My investigation of these issues have not personally led to self-crippling doubts or hurt. Rather, they have been quite liberating. Whilst I can see the dangers of needlessly ...
by zavk
Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:18 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'
Replies: 116
Views: 11905

Book: 'Before we loved the Buddha'

http://pressblog.uchicago.edu/2013/05/07/before-we-loved-the-buddha-by-donald-s-lopez-jr.html According to a famous Chinese legend, in 60 CE (or thereabout), the Emperor Ming of China had a dream. He dreamed that he saw a golden man flying through the sky, rays of light streaming from his head. The ...
by zavk
Fri May 03, 2013 12:52 am
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: Tea?
Replies: 22
Views: 2102

Re: Tea?

Hi Kim There's a misunderstanding. I was evoking a rhetorical 'some might say' to allude to those (e.g. the author of the article) who may perhaps attempt to legitimise their opinions with the claim that English-style tea is a 'degenerate' or 'adulterated' version of 'original' or 'authentic' masala...
by zavk
Thu May 02, 2013 12:38 am
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: Tea?
Replies: 22
Views: 2102

Re: Tea?

But it suggests the possibility that the normal English tea I grew up with was a degenerate (simplified) masala chai in the first place. :thinking: Weird! Kim The history of tea cultivation and how it came to be adopted as an English habit is an interesting read. Roughly speaking, tea had to be pro...
by zavk
Thu May 02, 2013 12:08 am
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: Tea?
Replies: 22
Views: 2102

Re: Tea?

Queen of all Teas, I have been trying to find a ''real Masala Chai'' since my last trip to India - no luck so far: Masala Chai http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2011/11/chai-history-how-to-make-your-own-masala-chai.html craving, craving, craving :cry: with metta Chris Hi Chris It's quite extraordinary ...
by zavk
Wed May 01, 2013 11:31 pm
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: Tea?
Replies: 22
Views: 2102

Re: Tea?

Oh and I've only had it at eateries and homes of friends, have not visited those countries yet. But the chai (not the instant premix) of South Asian cultures like India and Pakistan - strong, very milky, spiced, and often sweet - they are in a class of their own. :clap: