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by meindzai
Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:55 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

If you are saying that the body refers to literal physical body/birth there is a sutta that states that the physical body originates from the 4 elements. "The four great elements, bhikkhu, are the cause and condition for the manifestation of the material form aggregate" Yes, the physical body is fo...
by meindzai
Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:05 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: abhidhamma
Replies: 16
Views: 3166

Re: abhidhamma

Greetings Craig, My perspective is that the Abhidhamma Pitaka constitutes a Dhamma Theory that attempts to systemise the teachings of the Buddha (as recorded in the Sutta Pitaka) in such a way that they capture the technical essence of the teachings without reference to conventional concepts or ref...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:21 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

There is still the problem of when there is cesstation fo D.O. it states that Name and Form comes to cesstation. Would this mean that then one would infact die after enlightenment. Reread the quote from Thanissaro Bhikkhu here: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=285&start=60#p3005" onc...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:11 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

"Therefore, with the breakup of the body, the wise man does not fare on to body. Not faring onto body, he is freed from birth, aging, and death; freed from sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and dispair, freed from suffering, I say" The key here is "freed from sorrow, lamentation, pain, disple...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

There is another passage that i have come accross that does seem to contradict the 3 lives interpretation despite being cited by bhikkhu bodhi as evidence of it in his introduction to the Book of Causation, its in the SN - Book of Causation - 19. "Bhikkhus, for the wise mand, hindered by ignorance ...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:43 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

Element wrote:
I would appreciate if you do not misrepresent me.

I do not recall bringing up such things.

I do not talk such elaborations.

I try to stick to the suttas.

Thank you.

E
My apologies, it was clw_uk that brought up the issue (of the possible death of the Buddha on realizing nirvanna)

-M
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:11 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

Ven Thanissaro can explain it much better than I: From Wings to Awakening: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/wings/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The Buddha expressed this/that conditionality in a simple-looking formula: (1) When this is, that is. (2) F...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:45 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

Is there a sutta in the pali canon excluding the abhidhamma that states that cause and effect can have a large time delay? As I quoted earlier, the most basic formulation of Dependant Origination is (my brackets): [ 1 ] "'When this is, that is. [ 2 ] "'From the arising of this comes the arising of ...
by meindzai
Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:37 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

Meindzai has stated 'birth' is physical birth and 'death&dukkha' are physical death. Others have stated birth is the birth of 'self-view' and death is the sense of loss that becomes dukkha. ... Element Your logic eludes me. Causes and effects on various time scales are not mutually exclusive. Metta...
by meindzai
Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:19 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

The description of D.O. that appears in the suttas certainly refers to the three lifetime model, as words like "Death" and "Birth" are pretty unambiguous: True but the buddha used to types of language, everyday language and dhamma language. Birth in dhamma language just means the birth of "I" at an...
by meindzai
Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Dependent Origination
Replies: 140
Views: 21377

Re: Dependent Origination

The description of D.O. that appears in the suttas certainly refers to the three lifetime model, as words like "Death" and "Birth" are pretty unambiguous: "The passing of beings out of the various orders of beings, their passing away, dissolution, disappearance, dying, completion of time, dissolutio...
by meindzai
Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Replies: 52
Views: 13445

Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada

I think what people forget is that mahayana and Theravada have entirely different goals and idealss, and this is primarily where the differences come from. Theravada aspires to arahantship and Mahayana aspires to Buddhahood. Each is complete and logical with respect to it's respective goal. No Mahay...
by meindzai
Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:02 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Replies: 52
Views: 13445

Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada

If you feel like listening to Thanissaro Bhikkhu talk for about 6 hours, he has a very long (multi part, of course) talk on Emptiness from the Theravada perspective; http://audiodharma.org/talks/ThanissaroBhikkhu.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; There is also a shorter 1 hour vers...
by meindzai
Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:35 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hello!
Replies: 20
Views: 2523

Hello!

HI folks, decided to check in here and add another Buddhist forum to my bookmarks.

I'm down to 3 anyway, and I can stop anytime I want. :coffee:

-M