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by Alex123
Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2236
Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

Spiny Norman wrote:
Alex123 wrote:Also, by following Dhamma there can be more inner peace and understanding while still alive in this life.
So is that the goal of your practice?
Yes, plus eventual ending of rebirths (if they exist).
by Alex123
Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

This is total peace and total safety. It is not worse than falling into deep sleep (which we do every night) and not waking up ever. This is the best "state" ever! That sounds like death, which will come to us all sooner or later regardless of whether we practice. If there is no rebirth. Also, by f...
by Alex123
Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

One thing is really puzzling me throughout this whole thread... If conscious thought is obliterated at both death and nibbana why strive for something of which you'll have no conscious awareness? Thats not 'peace' or a cessation of suffering. It's complete annihilation of everything....a state devo...
by Alex123
Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

It seems to me that if rebirth is central to the Dhamma, then one should have a very strong conviction that it is true -- not just a belief that it might be possible because science hasn't disproven it, or because the universe is a weird place and thus conceivably it might be true. That seems a rem...
by Alex123
Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2236
Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

And if we crave cessation ( non-existence ), isn't that also source of dukkha itself according the Second Noble Truth? That is much better than craving for existence [8] "The supreme view-point external [to the Dhamma] is this: 'I should not be; it should not occur to me; I will not be; it will not...
by Alex123
Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

Progressive scientific discoveries shrink the gaps, but it seems unlikely that science will ever be able to prove conclusively that these things don't exist. So the burden of proof is on those who postulate unprovable/unfalsifiable hypothesis that have less probability of being true, So increasingl...
by Alex123
Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

Spiny Norman wrote:
Alex123 wrote:There is degree of wrongness and probability.
In another universe there is a version of you arguing the case for rebirth. :tongue:
I try to keep an open mind to both possibilities. It is just that right now I cannot prove that rebirth exists.
by Alex123
Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

What's the difference between destroyed and not demonstrating any discernable activity??? Big difference. Our current instruments might not have been able to detect all the minor functions of the neurons and cells in the brain during NDE. In any case, the patients were able to tell this when they c...
by Alex123
Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2236
Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

That's not a blank check for unbridled speculations to be seen as "equally possible" or otherwise even "possible" - again, the burden of proof is on the one making claims, not on the one pointing out a lack of evidence. I'm not suggesting that, I'm saying that the universe is very weird and counter...
by Alex123
Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2236
Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

The old chestnut of lack of oxygen etc etc has long since been refuted as the cause of these experiences. We've on from that now. They were looking in the wrong place only finding correlates as usual. Are you denying that hallucinations can be caused due to brain trauma, chemical abnormalities, and...
by Alex123
Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

Hello Myotai, all, I have yet to see anything other than scriptural evicdence for a lot of the arguments against some sort of continuation of awareness after death. Yet, there are countless reports of people with all manner of experiences who have been declared as dead as dead comes, yet report awar...
by Alex123
Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

In most of your posts you are looking for something material in regard to rebirth, other worldy realms and how the transfer can take place. If you do not subscribe to materialism, then what's your argument? The transfer could be immaterial. Briefly speaking, I "subscribe" to the importance of as mu...
by Alex123
Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

there's a succession of cittas (consciousness moments), each conditioning the next. And that process continues across lives via the paṭisandhi-citta ("relinking citta"). So it is a type of continuity, in the sense that there is continuity across a chain or continuum. I wonder, from where does citta...
by Alex123
Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
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Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

With all this being said, I do believe that parinibbana is the highest peace. The objection could be raised, though, that this is a "category error" -- that is, ascribing a property to something that cannot have that property. We would not say that a rock or other inanimate object is "at peace," be...
by Alex123
Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2236
Views: 136468

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

Why is that not a single person who attained awakening during the Buddha's time regretted doing so? Not a single one....zero, zilch, nada. In time of sectarian rivalry, every school wanted to present itself in the best light, and because of this, Buddhists would not be motivated that much to includ...