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by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

I wrote "jhanas, or any other thing," and referred to obsession. It could be obsession about obsession for that matter, or any other thing. I simply noticed that people talk a lot about jhanas lately and it sometimes seems obsessive. Buddha had things to say about obsession. See post above. Sati, s...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

Cetana Sutta: Intention translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.038.than.html Staying at Savatthi... [the Blessed One said,] "What one intends, what one arranges, and what one obsesses about: This is a support for the stationing of consciousness....
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

But according to the suttas, jhana is required for liberation. Or are you saying that jhana isn't required? And would you argue that we shouldn't "aim" to develop insight, or "aim" to develop ethical behaviour? I think the point is, if you aim at jhana because you are hung up on the idea of getting...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

Something Ajahn Chah said resonated with me in regards to clinging to ideas about jhana and such. He said something along the lines of "don't aim for Samadhi, aim for Nibbana" (I don't recall where I read it I'm afraid). Any other aim can keep you tied down to attachment and aversion. I think he sa...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

Of course.. And this is not a criticism of anyone. It's an attempt to discuss that any obsession regarding any attainment runs counter to attaining. Don't jump into the path without covering the basics. The MahaSatipatthana Sutta starts with. O Bhikkus. In other words Buddha is talking to those who...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

Something Ajahn Chah said resonated with me in regards to clinging to ideas about jhana and such. He said something along the lines of "don't aim for Samadhi, aim for Nibbana" (I don't recall where I read it I'm afraid). Any other aim can keep you tied down to attachment and aversion. I think he sa...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

SarathW wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:39 am
You can't attain Jhana or Nibbana by forces.
When you follow the Noble Eightfold Path it is a natural progression to Jhana and Nibbana.
Perhaps, but the 8-fold path includes Right Concentration, ie jhana.
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Enough?
Replies: 24
Views: 419

Re: Enough?

An obsession with attaining jhanas, or any other thing, on the way to the goal is opposite to the practice. The habit is to want something of imagined pleasure. Craving. Or not wanting someting that is not what is imagined. Craving. To crave an imagined attainment is not the path. Don't waste preci...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Consciousness gets matured ?
Replies: 4
Views: 72

Re: Consciousness gets matured ?

sunnat wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:46 am
It's just a synonym of growth, increase, proliferate. Mature is perhaps not the best translation.
Yes, it just makes me think of mature cheese. :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism
Replies: 141
Views: 2437

Re: Idealism

I'm not even sure that the distinction between "internal" and "external" is directly relevant. As MN140 explains, internal form and external form is all just form - the point is to not regard it as "me" and "mine". Not my body, but also not my car, or house, or whatever. And as MN1 explains, things...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 62
Views: 1020

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Some perceive the four rupa jhanas as superhuman states, and discourage regular buddhists from exploring jhanas. But jhanas as the last factor of the eightfold path, need to be practiced, by the diligent buddhist. The teaching is about the four Noble Truths. The last truth is to be practiced in our...
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6219
Views: 586390

Re: the great rebirth debate

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:40 am
dependent arising becomes irrelevant in a single life model
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since it would cease upon death, at least in theory
Not necessarily, though the presence of the birth nidana is potentially problematic for single-life interpretations.
by Dinsdale
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 62
Views: 1020

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

there is a whole Samyutta that speaks of a householder, who attained non-returner status. I do not recall my good self nor any other member here have denied a householder can attain non-returner status. However, the life & mind of this non-returner status must be exceptionally pure; thus "superhuma...
by Dinsdale
Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is wrong with Sati's pernicious viewpoint?
Replies: 21
Views: 1026

Re: What is wrong with Sati's pernicious viewpoint?

I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying in Sāvatthī, at Jeta's Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika's park. Now on that occasion this pernicious viewpoint (diṭṭhigata) had arisen in the monk Sāti the Fisherman's Son: "As I understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is just this consc...
by Dinsdale
Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:20 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 142
Views: 2588

Re: Jhana

To your point that 'it appears quite obvious there is no awareness of breathing in the 1st jhana': it may well appear so to you, but since you have expended so many words in proclaiming jhana to be a 'supernormal', super-difficult, state to access, I wonder how it can appear so obviously to you. Be...