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by Circle5
Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 3321

Re: Back to self!

Per SN 12.12 , "who" seems to be the wrong question. Since what attains liberation in the suttas is "the citta" or "mind", it seems it is the mind that must understand the illusion. Its probably like breaking a leg. Its the leg that must be repaired & healed rather than "the self". An even better e...
by Circle5
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Spiritual materialism
Replies: 9
Views: 472

Re: Spiritual materialism

After reading an Ajahn chah talk I realized I have been practicing in order to gain something and become someone. I would help out others cause it made me happy but I think it's better to help out others just to make them happy it's a subtle mental difference but also a major one. I would practice ...
by Circle5
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 3321

Re: Back to self!

you seem to be an observer who observes thoughts/dhamma According to the historical Buddha, there is nobody observing, nobody suffering, nobody experiencing pleasure. There is just suffering, pleasure, thoughts, feelings, etc. arising and ceasing based on conditions. Same as a window might appear a...
by Circle5
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 3321

Re: Back to self!

"By regarding" - you are implying that someone is regarding who is being asked to not regard (the illusory self from dependent arising is being asked not to regard.) But any statement about the illusory self being asked not to regard brings out the illusory self! :namaste: Then, my friend, let me a...
by Circle5
Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 3321

Re: Back to self!

if you think that quote is about having no-self as default, then you are wrong, because you have thoughts about self, right? then there is belonging to the self and where is belonging to the self then there is also a self. If, at 22:47, the thought that "there is a self" or whatever other thought r...
by Circle5
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 3321

Re: Back to self!

This is a low attempt at misinterpreting the teaching of the historical Buddha that was present during his time too. There are a couple of suttas where somebody ask this question to the Buddha and he always sends them back to the basics, back to dependent origination. That is his response for them: ...
by Circle5
Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?
Replies: 35
Views: 1307

Re: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?

[...] I checked statistics and indeed things are not as black an white. Islam appearently has a lower than expected retention rate in some place, especially Iran that you mentioned. Appearently it's nr 2 in USA in terms of retention rates after Hinduism: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-2...
by Circle5
Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?
Replies: 35
Views: 1307

Re: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?

Just my opinion, but I think the internet can influence people in all countries that have access to it, not just liberal countries. And I have argued that "liberal" countries are really far less liberal than some would believe. There are many crypto-Buddhists in the world, even in places like Saudi...
by Circle5
Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?
Replies: 35
Views: 1307

Re: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?

All the westerners on this forum who describe this age as corrupt and degrading seem to be using the Buddhist lenses to reach their conclusions, and at the same time, they are an outcome of the same culture they are criticizing. Maybe they are unable to see the link between conditions in their cult...
by Circle5
Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the self view arises ?
Replies: 47
Views: 1765

Re: How does the self view arises ?

Greetings, Seeing things is great. Have you seen the 2 sutta quotes I brought above, explicitly explaining how self-view comes to be? Sure, I didn't realize they required a response... :shrug: Metta, Paul. :) Well, what we see there is the Buddha explaining how self view arises because of feelings ...
by Circle5
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?
Replies: 35
Views: 1307

Re: Theravada is actively growing in the West. What is your take on what the future of that may bring?

This is why I stay around as few "western buddhists" as possible, really only a few that I trust, and largely stay with the living tradition of Burmese buddhism which is not only more intellectually-diligent but more honest, as well. When the new age manure is washed away from the street, Buddhism,...
by Circle5
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the self view arises ?
Replies: 47
Views: 1765

Re: How does the self view arises ?

According to your take on paticcasamuppada perhaps. Those who don't subscribe to the three lifetime model generally see how it does. But no good to argue, short of saying that if you don't see it, then you don't see it... and so be it - I'm not here to change your views. Metta, Paul. :) Seeing thin...
by Circle5
Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the self view arises ?
Replies: 47
Views: 1765

Re: How does the self view arises ?

To be fair though, anyone who has mentioned paticcasamuppada has noted the role of vedana... There is nothing in Paticca about the mental tendency towards conceit and how the opinion that there is a self arises. There are other suttas dealing with that, such as: "Well then — knowing in what way, se...
by Circle5
Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the self view arises ?
Replies: 47
Views: 1765

Re: How does the self view arises ?

According to the historical Buddha, self view arises due to certain feelings that arise from time to time, feelings such as "this body is mine" or "this thought is mine" etc. There is a certain FEELING there, before the intellectual opinion that forms afterward. Because of this feeling, there comes ...
by Circle5
Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:14 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Jordan Peterson - Developing Your Inner Psychopath
Replies: 16
Views: 3362

Re: Jordan Peterson - Developing Your Inner Psychopath

The Buddha would just advice that timid person to become an Anagami, so they don`t have any more fear or hate arising ever in their mind :). Regards. Not really. If I am not mistaken, the Buddha said that in the same way as one should not tolerate abuse done against others, one should not tolerate ...