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by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

This is just ad-hominem argumentation in the face of being unable to account for what the sutta says. Not only that, it's incorrect... "existentialism" is of no interest to me - "phenomenology" is. Phenomenology IS existentialism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_(philosophy) Existential...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Greetings Twilight, Another attempt to shot down the debate Not at all... only showing that "talk of whether things exist or not" is described in the suttas as "animal talk" (tiracchānakathā). Thus, people's preference for topics of discussion that were praised by the Buddha such as "talk on modest...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

What is your opinion about this sutta, Retrofuturist ? At Savatthi. “Bhikkhus, I do not dispute with the world; rather, it is the world that disputes with me. A proponent of the Dhamma does not dispute with anyone in the world. Of that which the wise in the world agree upon as not existing, I too sa...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

We are engaging in a conversation about what is real dhamma and what is corrupt dhamma claiming to be real dhamma. Not in discussion about kings, robbers etc. Another attempt to shot down the debate
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Greetings Twilight, The earth element is different from the perception of the earth element. If only perception would be the problem, then there would be no suttas speaking about elements. They would all speak about perception of elements. Or maybe the Buddha too was trying to clearly differentiate...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Oh, but it does. If it's "all in your head" -- then how can you ever free yourself from suffering? You can't. It's from this perspective that it is crucial to determine what is real and what isn't, what exists and what doesn't. I totally agree. Right view is the foreruner of them all. If one does n...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

From the suttas. Like you asked. You should hear the Mendark laugh :D : (External Pentad) (7) Diversity of Perceptions At Savatthı. “Bhikkhus, it is in dependence on the diversity of elements that there arises the diversity of perceptions ; in dependence on the diversity of perceptions that there a...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Thank you for your answers.
I answered. Now answer my question.
What question ? I'm not avoiding any, you can be sure. And I also have this annoying habbit of quoting suttas
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

What do think the priority is here? Existence or appearance? I haven't asked you about priority, I've asked you about your parents. Will they continue to exist or not ? Do you agree with my opinion on the problem or disagree ? However, it appears at this point in time that you're clinging so tenaci...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

And as I said, my question is addressed at SDC, Paul Davy or other people who have defended in this topic the existentialist buddhist school. I have recently quoted Nanamoli (a follower of Nanavira) saying otherwise, saying your parents do not really exist and only their appearence in your internal...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Greetings Twilight, As SDC pointed out well, there is a difference between appearance and existence. I mentioned before that if you keep trying to superimpose realism (which is about existence) over phenomenology (which is about appearance), you will never understand the latter. To those who have d...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

...True dhamma always rises up and shines in a debate. So why is nobody even attempting to answer this question ?... The notion of "sea-lioning" ... and another: "Don't feed the trolls!" (We could use emoticons for both these.) Then why did Nanananda never address Bhikkhu Bodhi criticism regarding ...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

EDIT: Sorry I did not understand your reply first cause of reading in a rush. No one is answering your questions about "if you die does a car exist" or "if you die does your daddy exist" because they are inane. Of course they will. But not to "you". And they will not exist in the manner they are tho...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Again, there are terms being tossed around here that are not in line with the ideas being discussed. "Internal phenomenological world" sabotages the phenomenological attitude. We've discussed this before. Nevertheless by starting your scenario with "existing chair" you have already granted more pri...
by Twilight
Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"
Replies: 223
Views: 24922

Re: My criticism of Nanavira and other "existentialist"

Do you understand the difference between "appearance" and "existence" that is being discussed in the essay? Is he saying things do not appear? Because you are doing exactly what he is describing in this essay: you are not distinguishing between the two terms. Yes, I perfectly understand the differe...