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by ToVincent
Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

... ... Here I am with two more wiggy fruitcakes on my back. One that informs me positively, that Brahma is a wheel - and the father of the unborn (all my congratulations on the side). References needed, please. Although - I repeat - this would be totally irrelevant with Buddha's Teaching — (which ...
by ToVincent
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

... ... Again, don't make me say, what I didn't even have in mind. As Brahman says to the monk in DN 11, that you quoted earlier: "you, monk, have done wrong, have acted unwisely, in that, ignoring the Exalted One, you have undertaken this long search among others for an answer...". I am not here t...
by ToVincent
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

ToVincent wrote   You seem to be belonging to these late "Theravadins", that believe neither in a self outside the "world" (of senses), nor in the arupa ayatanani. https://archive.org/stream/PrincipalUpa ... 3/mode/2up (fast deduction indeed) Sure you got my number. Thanks for the compliment, the m...
by ToVincent
Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

... There is absolutely no slandering of Buddha's Dhamma in what I said. And there is absolutely no need for that "Virtuous Victim Signaling" of yours. When I said that your comment from the "Bhavana Vandana" by bante Henepola Gunaratna Imina pungna kammena mame Bala samagamo Sathan samagame hotu y...
by ToVincent
Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

auto wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:44 pm
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Don't make me say, what I didn't even have in mind - :)
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by ToVincent
Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

... Thanks for your extracts from DN 11. I quite agree, up to the point when you & SteRo start being out of line, by starting a discussion on how "a disciple should contemplate on dependent origination". If you start a discussion on how "a disciple should contemplate dependent origination", then yo...
by ToVincent
Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

what does subdued means? atta is subdued into the body? No, atta is not subdued into the body. Definitely not in Buddhism. ----- Subdued means "quieted and brought into control". In Indian philosophy at large (Budhism included), the self (atman/atta) is what remains when everything that is not the ...
by ToVincent
Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

While I respect your research , what I have referred is the serious practise of all Theravada Buddhists in Sri Lanka , where as that it is the concern of Bhante Gunaratna in the book of Bhavana Vandana which I had mentioned. Well Justin, I do understand that Bhante Gunaratna is a great person, and ...
by ToVincent
Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

This can be found in " Bhavana Vandana" by bante Henepola Gunaratna. _ page 80. We use this gatha often in Sri Lanka. I got this idea of its importance in elevating one self towards Nibbana as heard during a sermon. Well justin, I am glad that you do meritorious deeds, and that you join with the wi...
by ToVincent
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

:::::::::::::::::::::::: DHAMMA :::::::::::::::::::::::: Dhammas definitely seem to be related to the world (of senses) - (see the definition of the "World" and the "All" below.). To the one who has made an end* (cf. kṣi), seated free of dust, done what should be done, with no taints, to the one who...
by ToVincent
Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

It could be followed up as a parallel with Imina pungna kammena mame Bala samagamo Sathan samagame hotu yava Nibbana pattiya I was wondering from where you got that from Justin? In the meantime, I was also wondering if, on top of delineating this puruṣa & atta thing, we could delineate a fair defin...
by ToVincent
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

Conventions of self is the topic of SN 1.25. Apart from the fact that I see no parallel for that "conventional" gizmo, in the Agamas, for that particular sutta - making me believe that this might be some sort of late abhidamma doodad addendum (you know: upper knowledge inaccessible to the commons*)...
by ToVincent
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

I understand the context.... Conventional speech to the brahmin Bhāradvāja of Sundarika, as found in the Attavagga . How do you translate "conventional" in Pali. And where does that "conventional speech" appears in the sutta? _________ Secondly, you can replace all these "reflexive pronouns" by "th...
by ToVincent
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

Sam Vara wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:05 am
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Answer in next post. .
by ToVincent
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Attā sudanto purisassa joti
Replies: 49
Views: 1618

Re: Attā sudanto purisassa joti

It doesn't say either of those. Atta is used as "oneself", a reflexive pronoun. Purisa is "man, person". They are both fairly common terms in Pali. So to turn it round the other way, "A man's light (i.e. good or holy quality) is when he has trained himself". What I meant is how one should consider ...