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by Coëmgenu
Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravāda Abhidhamma as the Middle Way
Replies: 74
Views: 3028

Re: Theravāda Abhidhamma as the Middle Way

Instead, you say that the nature of the dharma eternally exists without existing, and that the dharma is nonexistent, becomes existent accompanied by its nature (the two being inseparable) , and then is nonexistent again. This is what I gather, because earlier you agreed to the statement that "each...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravāda Abhidhamma as the Middle Way
Replies: 74
Views: 3028

Re: Theravāda Abhidhamma as the Middle Way

I'm aware. My point was that "own characteristic" or "own nature" is the preferable translation. Autonomous becoming is also difficult since it sounds like the dhamma is self caused, when in reality dhammas arise due to cause and conditions. Dhammas arise with the appropriate cause and conditions, ...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

Coëmgenu And even if they were, concepts have characteristics. A concept has no sabhāva. If concepts had sabhāva then “a being” or “a person” would be ultimately real. Well, now we're just being picky about our words. Does a concept have characteristics? Does a concept have a nature? Earlier you sp...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

My question is general. Do you think nibbana is a real and existing dhamma, or is it a concept? Is it a mistake to claim that "nibbana exists" or not? Can we say dhammas exist or not in your view? Nibbana is neither existing (neither perception), because form is empty, nor non-existing (nor non-per...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:02 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Could someone explain some classical Madhyamaka for me please?
Replies: 51
Views: 3220

Re: Could someone explain some classical Madhyamaka for me please?

This is going to be the last stretch of MMK Śāstra quotations and, unless I'm proved wrong, the last stretch of sections from MMK in general. This isn't the whole text copied-and-pasted, but hopefully between this translated commentary, the continuing thread, and what is found on the Internet, peop...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

Lucas Oliveira wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:38 pm
"'All phenomena have release as their heartwood.

"'All phenomena gain their footing in the deathless.

"'All phenomena have Unbinding as their final end.'

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
:anjali:
Very Madhyamaka. Very, very. I hadn't read this before.
by Coëmgenu
Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

This is conditioned existence vs unconditioned existence. However, the Buddha doesn't call them "unconditioned existence" and "conditioned existence," But he did. He said the conditioned and the unconditioned both exist. Yes. How they exist is what is being debated essentially. The Madhyamaka has t...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:33 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Commentaries on this specific part of MN1?
Replies: 13
Views: 624

Re: Commentaries on this specific part of MN1?

https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=28549 Well, isn't that a trip down memory lane. Back when I was in the process of becoming a Theravadin Buddhist. That development was arrested, it seems. Are you a Bodhisatta? In a manner of speaking, anyone with any degree of resolve towards buddhatva could...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

PS So I guess we can eel wriggle, by saying Nibbana is the exception to the rule since "all that exists is subject to disintegration". What a bunch of malarkey. “Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the conditioned. What three? An arising is seen, a vanishing is seen, and its...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

Nibbana is not a mahadipa. well it is, in a way Certainly. "In a way," not in a literal way, it is an island/a shore. That is why that metaphor is used. In a way, not a literal way, it exists, for all that exists is subject to disintegration, and nibbana supposedly exists but is not subject to disi...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

:rofl: Please review my question. I don't think you will be able to understand it, based on your last few posts, so I will decline your invitation for discourse. I am sorry but :rofl: I would recommend you reread your Pali buddhavacana if you've truly no idea what "the shore" is. I would recommend ...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

Srilankaputra wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:50 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:46 pm
Srilankaputra wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:42 pm

:rofl:

Please answer the question asked.
Please review above. I answered your question directly.
:rofl:

Please review my question.
I don't think you will be able to understand it, based on your last few posts, so I will decline your invitation for discourse.
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

it's an island indeed Nibbānadīpa, the fifth mahādīpa. You heard it here first, folks! metaphor noun a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them Precisely. "The shore" is metaphorical of "nibbana," not syno...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

Can you explain what 'you' mean by nibbana and how 'the shore' describes that? If "the shore" was not a metaphor for nibbāna and instead was synonymous with it, then nibbāna would be an island made of earth that is surrounded by a watery ocean called "samsara." :rofl: Please answer the question ask...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: On the Existence of Nibbana
Replies: 1194
Views: 48515

Re: On the Existence of Nibbana

cappuccino wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:39 pm
Coëmgenu wrote: If it is not literally an island …
it's an island indeed
Nibbānadīpa, the fifth mahādīpa. You heard it here first, folks!