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by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

You foolish man. When the Buddha says "sabbadhamma," he refers to all of the dhammas. "All of the dharmas" is the dharmadhatu.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

Nope. The dharmadhatu is not standing behind the dharmas, it is the dharmas.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

That's the thing though. To say it exists is a meaningless statement, not a meaningful one. The dharmadhatu is not actually a "foundation of all existence [...] which is beyond concept and qualities." It is simply the dharmas. If anything, one could argue that the mind perceiving the dharmas, appreh...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

That has told me diddly squat as to what this "dharmakaya" is? The dharmakaya is the dharmadhatu correctly apprehended by the saint. That tells me still next to nothing. What is it? Does this "dharmakaya" exist? You can speak of it existing as a convention of speech, but ultimately it is not define...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

What does that even mean? It means that there is no such "thing" as samsara and no such "thing" as the dharmakaya. There is only the dharmas. Samsara and the dharmakaya are the same "thing," which is the true aspect of all dharmas. That has told me diddly squat as to what this "dharmakaya" is? The ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

This confirms my suspicion that Mahayana failed to grasp the difference between actuality and concept. I think you are just being cute now. No, seriously. If Mahayana cannot understand the difference between having a concept of something and actually experiencing it, yet the concept being valid in ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

Language that speaks of "no separate dharmakaya apart from the path of suffering" is language that is using the Mahayanika conception of the dharmadhatu. There is only the dharmadhatu, be it known as nirvana or samsara. What does that even mean? It means that there is no such "thing" as samsara and...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

Theravada has said the same, so have the Sautrāntikas. Still, we have concepts to point us towards these realities. According to you, Theravada states that nibbana is not inconceivable. It is a discreet dhamma with which contact is made by the saints, and it can be known as existing, based on the f...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

If phenomena cannot be described in the ultimate sense, what is with Theravada's lists of described ultimate dhammas? The Dhammasaṅgaṇī and any similar enumeration of ultimates is rendered a pointless venture. What of this statement? Tattha vutt' abhidhammatthā - catudhā paramatthato Cittam cetasika...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

Theravada has said the same, so have the Sautrāntikas. Still, we have concepts to point us towards these realities. According to you, Theravada states that nibbana is not inconceivable. It is a discreet dhamma with which contact is made by the saints, and it can be known as existing, based on the f...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

So the mind actively seeks out the dhammas, "moving towards" them to engage them, versus the eye-consciousness and other sensory consciousnesses passively receiving their dhammas? Consciousness would have the activity of bending. All of the senses have corresponding consciousnesses. Do these not be...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

Even that sentence misses the point, since reality is beyond all words in its rawest form. The MMK expresses this exact same point thusly: [Ven Vimalākṣa] (1) "The Tathagata after parinirvāṇa exists," or (2) "The Tathagata does not exist," or (3) "The Tathagata both exists and does not exist," or (...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

And the eye-consciousness does not actively "grasp" form? "Grasping" here is upādāna, right? No. Its movement towards. So the mind actively seeks out the dhammas, "moving towards" them to engage them, versus the eye-consciousness and other sensory consciousnesses passively receiving their dhammas? ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

How are you using "bend?" Mind is not made up of particles of the wind element in Theravada AFAIK, so it has no material to be made of in order to "bend" around anything, toward anything, or upon itself, so how are you using it, particularly as opposed to "molested" in your earlier example? "Bend" ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Idealism Revisited
Replies: 297
Views: 2532

Re: Idealism Revisited

How are you using "bend?" Mind is not made up of particles of the wind element in Theravada AFAIK, so it has no material to be made of in order to "bend" around anything, toward anything, or upon itself, so how are you using it, particularly as opposed to "molested" in your earlier example? My quest...