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by R1111
Thu May 04, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2867

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

maranadhammomhi wrote: In the suttas people only ever become arahants upon committing suicide, i.e. arahantship never precedes suicide.

https://suttacentral.net/en/sn35.87 have you seen this one, offtopic anyway.
by maranadhammomhi
Thu May 04, 2017 5:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2867

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

... it's got a lot of useful info & thoughts for me...he is wrong that arahants can commit suicide, though. In the suttas people only ever become arahants upon committing suicide, i.e. ...
by R1111
Wed May 03, 2017 4:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2867

Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

... Story v.124 Here is Buddha's Word. Also noteworthy quote in regards to suicide because the Buddha says "others", but this is offtopic. ... Abhithanani; i. matricide, ii. patricide, iii. the murder of arahants (the Consummate Ones), iv. the shedding of the Buddha's blood, v. ...
by Buddha Vacana
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:58 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: The Truth about Dalai Lama
Replies: 53
Views: 1445

Re: The Truth about Dalai Lama

... what she said exactly was that Theravada teaches people to become arahants but TB teaches them something more because it teaches them how to ... path is that it makes no logical sense and it amounts to spiritual suicide. As long as HHDL keeps supporting it, he drives people away from ...
by R1111
Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna and five precepts
Replies: 199
Views: 10844

Re: Sotapanna and five precepts

... Story v.124 Statement as it is leaves open the possibility for suicide! "And what is the individual who is a bodily witness?... I say ... Abhithanani; i. matricide, ii. patricide, iii. the murder of arahants (the Consummate Ones), iv. the shedding of the Buddha's blood, v. ...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)
Replies: 36
Views: 1004

Re: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)

As far as I know, Buddha suffered from back pains and many arahants committed suicide due to pains cause by illness. As for the second question, I am sure suffering does not ...
by Maiev
Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)
Replies: 36
Views: 1004

Re: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)

As far as I know, Buddha suffered from back pains and many arahants committed suicide due to pains cause by illness. As for the second question, I am sure suffering does not ...
by binocular
Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... are:- ⋅ Killing does not include killing oneself. (i.e. suicide is not the unwholesome kamma of killing living-beings, which Arahants are clearly incapable of doing). ⋅ A Stream-winner (sotāpanna) can kill ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... are:- ⋅ Killing does not include killing oneself. (i.e. suicide is not the unwholesome kamma of killing living-beings, which Arahants are clearly incapable of doing). ⋅ A Stream-winner (sotāpanna) can kill ...
by Maiev
Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

That since arahants have apparently committed suicide, it is alright if lay people do it too? Or that if someone wishes to commit suicide, society at large ...
by binocular
Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... here. There is not just one random case of arahant committing suicide in the pali canon but many. It's not clear what the underlying issue is in this thread topic. That since arahants have apparently committed suicide, it is alright if lay people do it too? ...
by Monk Jag
Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... left for the Arahant? Eating, sleeping and breathing...to what end? The Arahants have "no further work to do", and therefore how they end ... identified with and clung-to. This is the danger zone. Am I advocating suicide, NO. Am I stating that the text indicates Arahants bringing about ...
by cjmacie
Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

...Since Arahants are entirely free from dosa, why would they take their own life? The accounts clearly ... and disappointment (which are aspects of dosa) prior to taking up a knife. This is not suicide , of course. Dabba foresaw his own imminent demise, and paid his final respects ...
by Monk Jag
Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... expansion ". Monks who try to force Christian values of "suicide = hell" in some automatic fashion do not understand even the ... can show textual evidence from the suttas that categorically shows that Arahants are incapable of killing themselves, then I am more than happy to ...
by Maiev
Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha Suffer?
Replies: 23
Views: 807

Re: A question about the 1-life model

... jhana in order not to be bothered by his back pain. It is true that arahants suffer less than a normal person because of not clinging. For example a normal person might be bothered to the point of suicide by worldly problems, a stream-enterer way less, an arahant not at all. ...
by udani
Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... That Sutta clearly mentioned that Channa knew about his attainment (Arahantship) before suicide.He tell about his attainment to Sāriputta and Ven Sāriputta questioned him about the ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... That Sutta clearly mentioned that Channa knew about his attainment (Arahantship) before suicide.He tell about his attainment to Sāriputta and Ven Sāriputta questioned him about the ...
by robertk
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...
by udani
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 92
Views: 3430

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...

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