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- Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:56 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
- Topic: Theravada against mathematics
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

The restriction is that it needs effort. Again, I've provided examples (based on mathematics) to show that something that stretches infinitely into the past doesn't have to span all possibilities, there are lawful things (~"deterministic") that only return a certain result after an infinity of diffe...

- Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:49 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

"not more", "exceeds", etc. doesn't apply the same way with infinities. You're saying (in the case of countably infinite apples and oranges) "but there is not more fruit than there are apples (since they have same cardinality), therefore all fruit must be apples!". This is not the case! The way that...

- Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:45 pm
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

Let's suppose there is an infinite Hilbert basket with compartments that can hold a piece of fruit. Each compartment has a fruit name in it, like apple, or orange. I can put all my infinite oranges in the "orange" compartments. (all my past lives are possible lives) I can also put all my oranges in ...

- Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:30 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: Life is a finite sequence of combinations of a finite set of elements (dhammas).

We get a pair of items. If there are a couple of elements, then life is lived. A pair of items is not the same item. There are two of them. Possible life is like a guest. Past life is like a hotel room. Guest is not a hotel room . But if a room was found for each guest, then all the guests were acc...

- Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:51 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: Life is a finite sequence of combinations of a finite set of elements (dhammas).

A countable set of all possible lives (and they can be counted in the order of 1,2, 3 to infinity, without missing a single possible option) can never be greater than the set of past lives (which is also a countable set: you can count lives in the past to infinity, 1 , 2, 3 ... without missing a si...

- Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:24 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
- Topic: Uṇṇābha the brahmin
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### Re: Uṇṇābha the brahmin

[Liberation] seems to be the "recourse" of mindfulness in the therapeutic or path sense. It is where mindfulness "goes to", so to speak. :thumbsup: Paṭisaraṇa := refuge in, shelter, help, protection. (PTS) Instead of "having recourse to", how about "settles into"? (in the above sense of "is at home...

- Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:41 pm
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### Re: mapping

How do you get from this (which I have no issue with): The point is that each element of the set of steps of the algorithm (A) can be associated with an element of the set of moments of the past (B). There is a mapping of the set A into the set B. If you metaphorically present the past as a hotel wi...

- Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:47 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: For each step (for each dhammas recombination) there is a moment in the past tense

For each step (for each dhammas recombination) there is a moment in the past tense. It is impossible to say that the set of steps exceeds the set of past moments, because the set of steps is a countable infinite set. It doesn't have to exceed it to be different... Have you looked at my post at all?...

- Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:33 am
- Forum: Early Buddhism
- Topic: suttas mentioned in tipitaka
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### Re: suttas mentioned in tipitaka

Ven. Sujato & Ven. Brahmali’s The Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts has a list, pp. 85-87 of the PDF or pp. 79-81 of the printed document ( 4.3.2 Internal cross-references ). I had created a topic in SuttaCentral asking the same question, where I got the reference I just mentioned. Another po...

- Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:57 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

Germann, You seem to be saying that the set of all "possible" lives and the set of all of one's individual past lives being countable implies that they're the same. This is not true. If two sets have the same cardinality, that does not mean the sets are the same. For example, odd numbers and even nu...

- Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:33 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
- Topic: Kamma
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### Re: Kamma

Relevant: [...] This noble disciple, Kālāmas, whose mind is in this way without enmity, without ill will, undefiled, and pure, has won four assurances in this very life. [...] The second assurance he has won is this: “If there is no other world, and there is no fruit and result of good and bad deeds...

- Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:23 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: A countable set of all possible lives

If no one exists at all, but there is freedom of choice, then whose is this freedom? There is no freedom of choice without a subject. Where there is freedom, there is a subject, and where there is a subject, there is freedom. The Buddha might say: "Not a valid question." Why not "freedom without a ...

- Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:51 pm
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

How? The cardinality of the Infinite set of all possible lives is equivalent to the cardinality of the “smallest” set among the infinite sets, N. In the infinite number of past lives, all possible lives will show up. (Any life lived, by definition, refers to a possible.) "My lives" are included in ...

- Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:40 pm
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

It's the other way around, by definition.

- Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:24 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
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### Re: Theravada against mathematics

[...] The set of even integers has the same cardinality as the set of all integers. That doesn't mean they're the same. One is included in the other. The set of all my past lives has the same cardinality as the set of all possible lives. That doesn't mean they're the same. One is included in the ot...