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by Dmytro
Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:40 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Nimitta
Replies: 78
Views: 14405

Re: Pali Term: Nimitta

Well, I've explained myself in detail in this long thread, and I don't think that repeated explanations will lead to any beneficial outcome.
by Dmytro
Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Nimitta
Replies: 78
Views: 14405

Re: Pali Term: Nimitta

It sounds strange that text says "silk-cotton seeds". These must be the seeds of silk-cotton tree . But ok, let's even accept, that Vism does mention touch nimitta. But it is very clear that image nimittas are not only mentioned there but are the main ones. Even for the wind kasina (which as you po...
by Dmytro
Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Nimitta
Replies: 78
Views: 14405

Re: Pali Term: Nimitta

According to sub-commentary, the tactile sensations are uggaha nimitta, not paṭibhāga nimitta (i.e. not nimitta with which one achieves upacāra and jhāna). In reality, Visuddhimagga-Atthakatha states it differently: 231. nimittan ti uggahanimittaṃ, paṭibhāganimittaṃ vā. ubhayampi hi idha ekajjhaṃ v...
by Dmytro
Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Maybe vitakka could work, but I think "vicara" takes on an opposite meaning of sticking like glue to the object of vitakka. Yes, perhaps it's closer to an investigation described in Titthayatana sutta: The Eighteen Investigations of Mind ‘Ime aṭṭhārasa manopavicārā’ ti bhikkhave mayā Dhammo desito ...
by Dmytro
Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:07 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Interpretation of nimitta as a strictly visual image belongs to the modern interpretation of nimitta, e.g. by Pa Auk Sayadaw. Though it draws upon Visuddhimagga for legitimization, it significantly differs from Visuddhimagga interpretation. I would rather treat separately all the chronological laye...
by Dmytro
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:08 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Hi Frank, So the Vibhanga Atthakatha you were referring to is the Commentary for this Abhidhamma Vibhanga gloss on first jhana V&V? It's a commentary to Abhidhamma Piṭaka, vibhaṅgapāḷi, 7. satipaṭṭhānavibhaṅgo, 1. suttantabhājanīyaṃ, 1. kāyānupassanāniddeso In Vism., while the wind kasina and 16 APS...
by Dmytro
Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:17 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Hi Frank, What do you think is the difference between takka & vitakka, versus V&V (vitakka and vicara)? They are quite similar, but "takka" is closer to "reasoning", while "vitakka" to "thinking", as explained in the dictionaries. As far as I understand, in VRJ (vism. redefinition of jhana), you hav...
by Dmytro
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:09 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating a MN 140 passage
Replies: 29
Views: 590

Re: Translating a MN 140 passage

I translated from memory, but also checked the M 140 commentary where the meaning for kāyapariyantikaṃ is kāyakoṭikaṃ, 'end of body'. https://tipitaka.org/romn/cscd/s0203a.att3.xml It's not 'end of body', it's "ending with the (end of) body", as explained further: Kāyapariyantikan ti kāyakoṭikaṃ. Y...
by Dmytro
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:20 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating a MN 140 passage
Replies: 29
Views: 590

Re: Translating a MN 140 passage

Actually Ven. Bodhi and Thanissaro's versions are more accurate (Thanissaro's being the best imho). There're 2 separate connotations in 2 separate sentences. And Sujato's version makes one tend to interpret both as meaning the same thing: the death of an arahant. Yes, Venerable Bodhi and Venerable ...
by Dmytro
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:03 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating a MN 140 passage
Replies: 29
Views: 590

Re: Translating a MN 140 passage

kāyapariyantikaṃ* - end-of-body or body ending (adjective) Just of of curiosity, where from are such "translations"? When I interpret the word, I look up the dictionary: kāya-pariyantika, mfn. [cf. SWTF s.v. kāya­paryantika, q.v.], limited by the body, cf. kāyantika, q.v.; ~aṁ veda­naṁ vedayāmi, M ...
by Dmytro
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:59 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Repetition of the name of object-support is consonant with the description in Yoga-sutra: tatra śabdārtha-jñāna-vikalpaiḥ saṁkīrṇā savitarkā samāpattiḥ ॥42॥ [HA]: The Engrossment, In Which There Is The Mixture Of Word, Its Meaning (i.e. The Object) And Its Knowledge, Is Known As Savitarka Samapatti....
by Dmytro
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:24 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

According to Visuddhimagga, such vitakka is also used to induce the third jhana: 152. When he has emerged from the second jhāna happiness appears gross to him as he reviews the jhāna factors with mindfulness and full awareness, while bliss and unification appear peaceful. Then as he brings that same...
by Dmytro
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:19 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Some more details are given in Vibhanga Atthakatha: Tattha kesādīnaṃ vaṇṇasaṇṭhānadisokāsaparicchedavasena upaṭṭhānaṃ uggahanimittaṃ, sabbākārato paṭikūlavasena upaṭṭhānaṃ paṭibhāganimittaṃ. Taṃ punappunaṃ āvajjentassa manasikarontassa takkāhataṃ vitakkāhataṃ karontassa cattāro khandhā paṭikūlāramma...
by Dmytro
Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:38 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana
Replies: 76
Views: 4601

Re: A. Sujato's Why Vitakka Doesn't Mean 'Thinking' in Jhana

Visuddhimagga describes the usage of vitakka for jhana in such a way: Vism 1, 4. pathavīkasiṇaniddeso apica vaṇṇaṃ amuñcitvā nissayasavaṇṇaṃ katvā ussadavasena paṇṇattidhamme cittaṃ paṭṭhapetvā manasi kātabbaṃ. pathavī mahī, medinī, bhūmi, vasudhā, vasundharātiādīsu pathavīnāmesu yamicchati, yadassa...
by Dmytro
Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:30 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: how do we know what the buddha looked like?
Replies: 31
Views: 1370

Re: how do we know what the buddha looked like?

Did buddha ever say NOT to make images of him? There are statements to this effect in Kalingabodhi Jataka: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32666&p=485197#p485172 https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32666&p=485197#p485197 In Samantapasadika: https://books.google.com/books?id=mY...