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by Dmytro
Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

At the time of the Buddha such lingua franca was Magadhi (Pali). I am not necessarily in disagreement with you, but I think you are setting a bit of a double standard here. It's a matter of definitions. Yes, more precise terms would solve the ambiguity. On one hand, lingua franca was not a common M...
by Dmytro
Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:30 am
Forum: Pali
Topic: Pali Term: Nimitta
Replies: 58
Views: 9463

Re: Pali Term: Nimitta



Thank you, Bhante!

One can also access this article by Laurence Cox at http://www.globalbuddhism.org/jgb/index ... sue/view/6
by Dmytro
Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Pali
Topic: Pali Term: Nimitta
Replies: 58
Views: 9463

Re: Pali Term: Nimitta

Pecularities of borān kammaṭṭhāna literature can provide valuable insights about the evolution of meaning of Pali terms. These texts are interesting in what they don't contain, - there's no abstract methodology, - just the specific actions to be performed step-by-step. "Once the practitioner ha...
by Dmytro
Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

rajitha7 wrote:How is Brahmi related to Prākrit/Sanskrit ?


There's a 2nd century BCE Brahmi inscription in Hathigumpha, the language of which may be called Pali:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathigumpha_inscription
http://dhamma.ru/paali/MrGautamMore.html
by Dmytro
Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

One particular narrative that I have inherited argues that the literature that we now call "Pāli-literature" was once in a series of closely-related Prākrits, which were standardized and harmonized during the formation of the "Pāli Canon". There was a lot of local dialects, and ...
by Dmytro
Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

However, a Sinhalese commentary still exists, which is pure . It was rendered into the Sinhalese tongue by the learned Mahinda with proper regard for the way of commenting that was handed down by the three Councils as taught by the Enlightened One and inculcated by Sáriputta and others. Go there, a...
by Dmytro
Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

I would suggest giving the sources in question a cursory read. Thank you, I have read them. They indeed bear some tangential relation to the discussed statement. To understand this we need to know that the Pāli language is a close relative of the Sanskrit language, in which we find the parallel ter...
by Dmytro
Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

Caodemarte wrote:I have given you the citations In my note which you have omitted from your quote.


Would you be so kind to explain the connection of these citations with your statement?
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

I answered your question ad given citations and links (when available) directly below the quoted material. I am sure you can find others. Evidently you can't substantiate your statement. Well, then thank you for another great example of a myth: Theravada histories and claims are that it derived fro...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

As for the Sanskrit - the key question is, - could it be used at the time of Mahasanghika split? And the answer is no, as evidenced by inscriptions, - "Sanskrit began to come into epigraphic use only in the first century B.C." https://books.google.com/books?id=XYrG07qQDxkC&pg=PA86&...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

Theravada histories and claims are that it derived from a sect that broke away from a sect that broke away from this faction (or "dissolved into" rather than "break away") Why do you think so? The Theravada tradition holds that after the Third Council, the Vibhajjavādins evolved...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

Scholars, including Theravadin scholars, don't accept the Dipavamsa as having any historical value as it is clearly a propgandistic revision and re-telling of history for a specific political point. They do accept actual historical records. I also accept historical records. Let's discuss them inste...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

As previouly discussed in an earlier thread, "Suttas as History" by Walters in Defining Buddhism(s): A Reader ed. Karen Derris, Natalie Gummer, points out that what we know today as the Theravada suttas and Pali itself are the result of decisions made centuries after the Buddha's death in...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

Caodemarte wrote:Just a note that Dipavamsa is almost universally regarded as having no historical value on the origin of Theravada since it is so clearly a propagandistic work with clearly false claims.


Wow, that's an argument! :twothumbsup:
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

Interesting. Is this view supported by only Mr. Burrow, or is it a dominant theory (or at least in a common scope) of linguistic studies though? It's in common scope. Russian Indologist Tatiana Yelizarenkova also described this difference between Vedic and Sanskrit. Sanskrit has a powerful India-re...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:44 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet & Fitness
Topic: My father's cough
Replies: 18
Views: 321

Re: My father's cough

I'm sure that a big part of why this recent episode of my father's sickness is so hard on us all is because we haven't prepared for it. The worst time to try to come to terms with sickness is when one is already sick. Somehow this is often the only time. May you solve all the issues, and learn many...
by Dmytro
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 685

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi Sobhana, The Buddha sums up his definition of dukkha with: "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering" (pancu­padanak­khan­dha). What is the meaning and what are the implications? Since "upadana" means "appropriation", (see http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php...
by Dmytro
Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The myth of "Sthaviravada"
Replies: 49
Views: 641

Re: The myth of "Sthaviravada"

My sole source is Venerable Thubten Chodron. The Dalai Lama and she have written a book called Buddhism: One Teacher, Many Traditions . It delves into early Buddhist history. I would recommend it to you. Thank you! The book states on page 4: The name Theravada does not seem to have indicated a scho...
by Dmytro
Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:26 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet & Fitness
Topic: My father's cough
Replies: 18
Views: 321

Re: My father's cough

I've already developed a kind of audio hypersensitivity and can hear the slightest noise he makes, even from afar. Now that's a problem. Please take breaks by all means. Your father needs you to be healthy. Also, I do need to hear him, just in case he needs help. We're not in control of what happen...

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