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by Goofaholix
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball
Replies: 38
Views: 442

Re: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball

Yes, perhaps we can now discuss the benefits of taking personal responsibility for one's volitional actions and the effect such actions/words might have on self and others. The thing about personal responsibility is that it is about me as a person choosing to take responsibility, it's not about you...
by Goofaholix
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball
Replies: 38
Views: 442

Re: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball

L.N. wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:42 pm
Perhaps your answer is to simply ignore comments which play the person instead of the ball.
Excellent, I'm glad you agree!

Perhaps this will allow other aspects of dhamma to be discussed besides this one then.
by Goofaholix
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:32 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball
Replies: 38
Views: 442

Re: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball

I agree that these would be ways to phrase the comments in a manner less likely to be taken personally. However, regardless of whether the comment begins with "your words" or "those words," notice that the subject is still the words, not the speaker's state of mind or character. This is the crucial...
by Goofaholix
Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:15 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball
Replies: 38
Views: 442

Re: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball

Again, addressing the speech, not the person. As noted elsewhere, hopefully we can recognize that some comments are more likely to be taken personally than others. Still this quoted comment is playing the ball, not the person, as it is addressed to the words spoken rather than the perceived state o...
by Goofaholix
Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:52 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball
Replies: 38
Views: 442

Re: Right Speech: The Person in the Ball

Examples of addressing the ball: "Your words are insensitive." "Your posts are liberal/conservative." "You comments may be taken personally." If that's the case then these are not much batter than the examples of addressing the person inside the ball. "Your words are insensitive"... words are just ...
by Goofaholix
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2318

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

It may be idealism but the fact the Western monks are expected to ordain for 5 years appears to be a reflection of this very same idealism and is what distinguishes the Western ideal from the traditional Asian model I mentioned above. Good point. However 5 years is no the same as a lifetime, it is ...
by Goofaholix
Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2318

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

But do those temporarily ordained Thai monks bash lay people? Do they blackmail them into submission and criticize them to the ground? Firstly, it's pretty well known that due to the easy accessibility of temporary ordination a small number do far worse. Secondly, this is a thread about James's lif...
by Goofaholix
Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:29 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2318

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Nevertheless, disrobing is a form of betrayal that can cause a crisis of faith for lay people who have relied on that monk to teach them the Dhamma. I think (novice) monks should live in isolation and not teach lays or publicy present themselves as representatives of the Dhamma until they are sure ...
by Goofaholix
Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:21 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2318

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Welcome back James, here's hoping you'll get to do all the things you hope to do and this board will continue to enjoy the benefit of your experience.
by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

(I may of course be wrong in my initial guess.) I see now, 85 votes means 85 ticks not 85 people. So there is no way of knowing how many people left checkboxes unticked, though I guess we could assume 18 people voted and 100% ticked the most offensive one, even so 18 people is a measure of disinter...
by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

[Actually it's not 17% of respondents. There are 10 comments, and each is allocated a percentage of the total vote. The total percent is 100%. If a comment gets 17%, then that indicates it is more commonly viewed as a comment which could reasonably be taken personally. It does not mean 17% of respo...
by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:58 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I believe I am the only Member who has said anything nice or positive about other people here in this Topic. My efforts have been to respond in a measured, respectful way to the personalized comments, and to give praise where it is due. Do you think that any response other than non-response or bend...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:54 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

When we do something which has an unintended consequence, we all (myself included) can recognize the kernel of truth regarding our role in the situation or conflict which has arisen conditioned by our words/actions. That's right, each time we hit the reply button we have the choice to escalate or d...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:14 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

That's pretty much how I feel. I find it bizarre that people are reading "outbursts" and "prissiness" into this. Clearly they are taking your comments personally then, so should you take personal responsibility for the words or would it be better if they take personal responsibility for the reactio...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

L.N. wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:39 am
Who is the chastiser, and who has been chastised?
There is no who that is the chastiser, there is no who that is being chastised. Without a who, there is nothing for "personal" comments to land on or cling to.
by Goofaholix
Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:09 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 132
Views: 1941

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

If we could get back on topic at some point, that would be great. The point being that (1) we all might make comments which could reasonably be taken personally by someone else , and (2) when we do so, Dhamma teaches that we should take personal responsibility for the words we have spoken/written. ...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:04 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: A woman reporting a monk?
Replies: 5
Views: 198

Re: A woman reporting a monk?

I don't know. Almost certainly there'll be differences of opinion among Vinaya scholars. If it hasn't already started, I expect sooner or later there'll be committees of Vinaya scholars holding meetings to discuss how such and such Vinaya rule is to be applied in online interactions. Maybe after so...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1336

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

In the suttas there is the idea of turning away from the conditioned, and towards the unconditioned. I'm not sure whether the modern mindfulness movement subscribes to this idea? Not in so many words, you make it sound like a new years resolution. Not for those interested in mindfulness as a stress...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1336

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

But the quote we are talking about goes on to say that this is quite at odds with the Pali Canon. Do you agree with that? The strawman that Bhikkhu Bodhi describes may be at odds with the Pali Canon, the point is I don't think that it's a very fair characterisation all of the modern mindfulness mov...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1336

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Saengnapha wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:52 am
You did say 'life affirming', did you not? If that was not your statement, I misread what you wrote.
Indeed, it was intended as a watered down term for Bhikkhu Bodhis "new affirmation of the world".