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by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

(I may of course be wrong in my initial guess.) I see now, 85 votes means 85 ticks not 85 people. So there is no way of knowing how many people left checkboxes unticked, though I guess we could assume 18 people voted and 100% ticked the most offensive one, even so 18 people is a measure of disinter...
by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

[Actually it's not 17% of respondents. There are 10 comments, and each is allocated a percentage of the total vote. The total percent is 100%. If a comment gets 17%, then that indicates it is more commonly viewed as a comment which could reasonably be taken personally. It does not mean 17% of respo...
by Goofaholix
Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:58 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I believe I am the only Member who has said anything nice or positive about other people here in this Topic. My efforts have been to respond in a measured, respectful way to the personalized comments, and to give praise where it is due. Do you think that any response other than non-response or bend...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:54 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

When we do something which has an unintended consequence, we all (myself included) can recognize the kernel of truth regarding our role in the situation or conflict which has arisen conditioned by our words/actions. That's right, each time we hit the reply button we have the choice to escalate or d...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:14 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

That's pretty much how I feel. I find it bizarre that people are reading "outbursts" and "prissiness" into this. Clearly they are taking your comments personally then, so should you take personal responsibility for the words or would it be better if they take personal responsibility for the reactio...
by Goofaholix
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

L.N. wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:39 am
Who is the chastiser, and who has been chastised?
There is no who that is the chastiser, there is no who that is being chastised. Without a who, there is nothing for "personal" comments to land on or cling to.
by Goofaholix
Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:09 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 130
Views: 1424

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

If we could get back on topic at some point, that would be great. The point being that (1) we all might make comments which could reasonably be taken personally by someone else , and (2) when we do so, Dhamma teaches that we should take personal responsibility for the words we have spoken/written. ...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:04 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: A woman reporting a monk?
Replies: 5
Views: 142

Re: A woman reporting a monk?

I don't know. Almost certainly there'll be differences of opinion among Vinaya scholars. If it hasn't already started, I expect sooner or later there'll be committees of Vinaya scholars holding meetings to discuss how such and such Vinaya rule is to be applied in online interactions. Maybe after so...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

In the suttas there is the idea of turning away from the conditioned, and towards the unconditioned. I'm not sure whether the modern mindfulness movement subscribes to this idea? Not in so many words, you make it sound like a new years resolution. Not for those interested in mindfulness as a stress...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

But the quote we are talking about goes on to say that this is quite at odds with the Pali Canon. Do you agree with that? The strawman that Bhikkhu Bodhi describes may be at odds with the Pali Canon, the point is I don't think that it's a very fair characterisation all of the modern mindfulness mov...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Saengnapha wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:52 am
You did say 'life affirming', did you not? If that was not your statement, I misread what you wrote.
Indeed, it was intended as a watered down term for Bhikkhu Bodhis "new affirmation of the world".
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:46 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

While I agree with you that adding fuel to the fire is not skilful, your view still represents what the Buddha describes as a wrong view. If you read through Alagaddupama Sutta , you can easily understand where your view settles on. But we're not talking about my view. We're talking about Bhikkhu B...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:21 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Perhaps many would object to your deduction of 'life affirming'. This sounds like a new age word which many find unpalatable. By life affirming I mean that it doesn't necessarily consider life and living life in a negative light, yes there is change, yes there is Dukkha but it is unskilful to add m...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:25 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1079

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

While I'm sure some people understand the teachings of the modern mindfulness this way I don't think this is what is intended. We are taught to embrace change and embrace Dukkha so that hopefully we stop resisting them. When we stop resisting we see change and Dukkha more clearly for what they are, ...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 47
Views: 1025

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

nichiren-123 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:46 pm
Yes, but im in the process of realising that the origin of these thoughts is not 'me', that they just 'happen'.
It sounds like you are on the right track then, just keep doing that, keep observing thought objectively noting it's impermanent and uncontrolled nature. It's the work of a lifetime.
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 670

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

I bite something. It is a pleasant feeling. It has the flavor of an apple. It has the texture of an apple. It has the aroma of an apple. It is an apple. ......would "it is an apple" be the perception or would a sort of summary "I have bitten into an apple" be the perception" or what? chownah I thin...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 670

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

actually brain studies could show the perception triggers feelings : because of perception, there are mechanism in brain associated to endorphine or others. I think here you are relying on the english word perception, rather than the pali word sanna (usually translated as perception). How you've us...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 670

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:41 am
Do you think that there are these three stages?....and if so which one is perception etc.?
More like 3 components to the experience, perception is the component the recognises and labels the experience.
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 670

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

So feeling tone is something like a disposition you already have. Someone who loves apples has a pleasant disposition towards apples. When he comes into contact with the apple he experiences a pleasant feeling tone and the mind then attempts to attribute meaning to the feeling tone. So it's like a ...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 670

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

But doesn't your perception first have to identify the object let's say an apple, as an apple before a feeling can arise? Not necessarily, feeling tone is more on an animal instinct level. Whereas "It's an apple" is just a concept about an experience,whether you are drawn towards that experience or...