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by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:04 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: A woman reporting a monk?
Replies: 5
Views: 126

Re: A woman reporting a monk?

I don't know. Almost certainly there'll be differences of opinion among Vinaya scholars. If it hasn't already started, I expect sooner or later there'll be committees of Vinaya scholars holding meetings to discuss how such and such Vinaya rule is to be applied in online interactions. Maybe after so...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

In the suttas there is the idea of turning away from the conditioned, and towards the unconditioned. I'm not sure whether the modern mindfulness movement subscribes to this idea? Not in so many words, you make it sound like a new years resolution. Not for those interested in mindfulness as a stress...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

But the quote we are talking about goes on to say that this is quite at odds with the Pali Canon. Do you agree with that? The strawman that Bhikkhu Bodhi describes may be at odds with the Pali Canon, the point is I don't think that it's a very fair characterisation all of the modern mindfulness mov...
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Saengnapha wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:52 am
You did say 'life affirming', did you not? If that was not your statement, I misread what you wrote.
Indeed, it was intended as a watered down term for Bhikkhu Bodhis "new affirmation of the world".
by Goofaholix
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:46 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

While I agree with you that adding fuel to the fire is not skilful, your view still represents what the Buddha describes as a wrong view. If you read through Alagaddupama Sutta , you can easily understand where your view settles on. But we're not talking about my view. We're talking about Bhikkhu B...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:21 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Perhaps many would object to your deduction of 'life affirming'. This sounds like a new age word which many find unpalatable. By life affirming I mean that it doesn't necessarily consider life and living life in a negative light, yes there is change, yes there is Dukkha but it is unskilful to add m...
by Goofaholix
Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:25 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

While I'm sure some people understand the teachings of the modern mindfulness this way I don't think this is what is intended. We are taught to embrace change and embrace Dukkha so that hopefully we stop resisting them. When we stop resisting we see change and Dukkha more clearly for what they are, ...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 46
Views: 957

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

nichiren-123 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:46 pm
Yes, but im in the process of realising that the origin of these thoughts is not 'me', that they just 'happen'.
It sounds like you are on the right track then, just keep doing that, keep observing thought objectively noting it's impermanent and uncontrolled nature. It's the work of a lifetime.
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

I bite something. It is a pleasant feeling. It has the flavor of an apple. It has the texture of an apple. It has the aroma of an apple. It is an apple. ......would "it is an apple" be the perception or would a sort of summary "I have bitten into an apple" be the perception" or what? chownah I thin...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

actually brain studies could show the perception triggers feelings : because of perception, there are mechanism in brain associated to endorphine or others. I think here you are relying on the english word perception, rather than the pali word sanna (usually translated as perception). How you've us...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

chownah wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:41 am
Do you think that there are these three stages?....and if so which one is perception etc.?
More like 3 components to the experience, perception is the component the recognises and labels the experience.
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

So feeling tone is something like a disposition you already have. Someone who loves apples has a pleasant disposition towards apples. When he comes into contact with the apple he experiences a pleasant feeling tone and the mind then attempts to attribute meaning to the feeling tone. So it's like a ...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

But doesn't your perception first have to identify the object let's say an apple, as an apple before a feeling can arise? Not necessarily, feeling tone is more on an animal instinct level. Whereas "It's an apple" is just a concept about an experience,whether you are drawn towards that experience or...
by Goofaholix
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

Again, I'm talking about perceptions, not feelings. Pleasant and Unpleasant does not relate to perception (sanna), it relates to feeling tone (vedana). Feeling tone is an automatic response to a stimulus, this automatic response can colour our perception of the experience. So it's feeling then perc...
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Pleasant and Unpleasant
Replies: 43
Views: 659

Re: Pleasant and Unpleasant

I'm not sure that an object can remain independently desirable or undesirable. For an object to be desirable for example, it needs to be perceived as desirable. This perception is created in the mind. The object is really neither desirable nor non-desirable. You are right of course, but this is all...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:28 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: ordaining in theravada and zen?
Replies: 14
Views: 341

Re: ordaining in theravada and zen?

When I was practicing at Shwe oo min I saw several Mahayana monks taking temporary (presumably just for the period of their stay) ordination in Theravada, mostly Vietnamese zen monks.
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 1287

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

Do they try to make merit and hope for a better rebirth? Then, yes, they are in effect trying to verify things for themselves. Clearly we have a different understanding of what verifying for oneselves entails, the keyword in your sentence is hope, how does hope and verification correlate? If anythi...
by Goofaholix
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 1287

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

In contrast, in Buddhism, and not just in the modern variations for scientific skeptics, the situation is, at least on principle, quite different. A Buddhist, on principle, does try to know things for himself, does try to verify the religious tenets. I think you'll find that 150 years ago this wasn...
by Goofaholix
Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 1287

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

My perception of theravada is that it if a path of practice and the epitome of the practice is the monastic (symbolically). The path of practice for the lay person is a path of action (dana, sila, bhavana) and relationship (with the monastic sangha). Take out the bhavana for the lay person and that...
by Goofaholix
Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?
Replies: 68
Views: 1287

Re: Who are the (modern) protestant Buddhists?

Some names, please? As I understand it the movement characterised as "Protestant Buddhism" came about for much the same reasons as protestant christianity, as a laypersons revival and freedom from the clergy as the only authority attitude that had built up over centuries. It is characterised by lay...