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by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why did the buddha waste his breath?
Replies: 15
Views: 978

Re: Why did the buddha waste his breath?

It seems much of the religious aspects of Buddhism are overlooked and not talked about as much as say meditation. Jhanas, magical powers, heaven and hell realms, rebirth. The majority of the attitude toward these things most of the time is to dismiss them, scoff at them, say they are useless, not r...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:48 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Vincent explains his interpretation.
Replies: 10
Views: 952

Re: Vincent explains his interpretation.

Would it not relate to self-view, Vincent?
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Spiny Norman wrote:A really useful discussion, so thanks to everyone who contributed. :anjali:
Indeed, would like to extend great thanks to everyone who has participated thus far.
:thanks:
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Vincent Despite unceasing calls in the 2 other threads on you to put forth a comprehensible discourse explaining your thesis why the Aggregates cease ante-mortem for an Arahant, you have desisted. If you're going to sneak in again with this meme and hope it will go unnoticed, you are quite mistaken...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

All I can assume is that you don't believe in rebirth, otherwise obviously something has to be reborn, something that brings with it memories and even in the Buddha's case perhaps a certain personality of being that is similar in the previous lifetimes, or do you think he made up the whole thing. P...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

no Tilt I invited you first to quote a scripture where the buddha denied any essence going from one life to the next, as to my scriptural support I need only point to the Buddha's own recollection of his many past lives, obviously something went from one life to the next or there would be no memori...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Vincent Despite unceasing calls in the 2 other threads on you to put forth a comprehensible discourse explaining your thesis why the Aggregates cease ante-mortem for an Arahant, you have desisted. If you're going to sneak in again with this meme and hope it will go unnoticed, you are quite mistaken...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

impossible to make any sense of, yet everyone believes in it, except me...... It is possible to make sense of it in terms of the Buddha's teachings. Nearly every religion has had people or sects who made sense of it... However! It's not that this discussion is entirely :offtopic:, but we should try...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

While the Buddha spoke extensively on the topic of what is not self, the skhandas, etc, I don't think he ever explicitly stated that there is no self of any kind whatsoever, Hmm, I was wondering then what the Buddha meant by this reply to the monks - Siyā nu kho, bhante, ajjhattaṃ asati paritassanā...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

The Buddha stated that a permanent unchanging self was a wrong view, but didn't he also state that the idea of there being no self was a wrong view also? The Buddha equates no self with annihilationism and there is a self with eternalism in this sutta http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn44...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

lyndon taylor wrote:Didn't the Buddha also say there is not a self, and there is a permanent unchanging self, are both wrong views and the truth actually lies somewhere in the middle???
Don't take my response the wrong way but... What would that be?
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Perhaps middle way would be a better term than middle path, All throughout the Buddha's teaching we see him taking a middle way between extreme viewpoints, another obvious example the middle way between asceticism and hedonism. Clearly as I see it a subtle existence after parinibbana is not one ext...
by Kasina
Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

So, what are we to make of this? Does the atheist explanation seem to be a sort of vibhavatanha? Can we say that atheists seem to take nibbana for granted as something that happens in any case? :thinking: Well I think the case of the 7th Jhana David brought up in his article may quite well invalida...
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

I should ask my thread title to be changed to "a clear demonstration of why most of us here think we can frame Nibbana in terms of Non-existence, albeit in very tricky wordplay so as never to actually say it outright". I still find the suttas very opaque on this question, and clearly there are diff...
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

daverupa wrote::coffee:
Are you saying all this fuss was over an imaginary disagreement?
:embarassed:
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

I actually read it at the time it was posted, and it's not at variance with any of my thought on the subject.
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Plain and simple, clear as day, the goal is oblivion. I suppose we could always convert to Hinduism. ;) I didn't mean to state that as a fact, I was only speaking out of my frustration. I should ask my thread title to be changed to "a clear demonstration of why most of us here think we can frame Ni...
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

So that's it then? Plain and simple, clear as day, the goal is oblivion. You know, it's funny. What I used to think was a clever analysis of suffering and the means to end it turned out to be painfully basic. If you put an end to self, and then all forms of mentation and feeling follow, then it's do...
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 425844

Re: the great rebirth debate

daverupa wrote:It's a work in progress:

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=18653
Well, it has parallels, which is all I really wanted to know.

Thanks anyway, Dave.
by Kasina
Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 74751

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

Hi everyone, The teachings are 'onward leading,' a raft for crossing over. Is anything which is said in the teachings ultimate truth? Can the ultimate truth even be expressed in words? Many statements are provisional truths - useful at some stage on the path. The late Mahavihara nihilistic doctrine...