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by samseva
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

I would just like to say that, with closer examination, the Abhidhamma model makes much more sense. With sights, sounds, odours and tastes—which based on the Abhidhamma classification are always neutral at the initial contact ( phassa )—these are basically just sensorial information with no inherent...
by samseva
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

I think the Abhidhamma model is fairly conclusive. For the Sutta model of vedanā, with SN 48.36, and similarly with SN 36.7, it would seem that neutral feeling is both bodily and mental: And what, bhikkhus, is the equanimity faculty? Whatever feeling there is, whether bodily or mental [...] Bhikkhus...
by samseva
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

It would seem that, similarly to SN 48.36, bodily feeling based on the Suttas—in contrast to Abhidhamma, of which bodily feeling can only be pleasant or painful—could be neutral as well (along with pleasant and painful feeling). This is described in SN 36.7 (although not being completely conclusive,...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sequence of suffering?
Replies: 18
Views: 403

Re: Sequence of suffering?

The sutta quotes cannot be any more explicit to me. in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering.. SN 56.11 https://suttacentral.net/sn56.11/en/bodhi Its not: in brief, the five aggregates subject to craving are suffering. How can the following be any more explicit? :shrug: Its n...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

It would seem that—at least for the Abhidhammic interpretation—feelings would rather be classed as: Bodily impressions - Touch = Only agreeable, or disagreeable* - Sights, sounds, odours, tastes = Always neutral* Mental impressions = Agreeable, disagreeable or neutral* *Initial feeling from sense-im...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

Bhikkhu Bodhi's note on SN48.36: 212. According to the Abhidhamma, all bodily feeling, that is, feeling arisen through bodily sensitivity ( kāyappasāda ), is either pleasant or painful; there is no neutral feeling based on bodily sensitivity. Hence Spk explains the bodily equanimity as feeling arise...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sequence of suffering?
Replies: 18
Views: 403

Re: Sequence of suffering?

Does craving by itself cause dukkha (without necessarily there needing to be clinging)? Imo, no. The 2nd noble truth also refers to "becoming" ("bhava") & "delight" ("nandi"), which are the same has "attachment". For example, MN 38 says " delight in feelings is attachment ". Therefore, imo, craving...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sequence of suffering?
Replies: 18
Views: 403

Re: Sequence of suffering?

Does craving by itself cause dukkha (without necessarily there needing to be clinging)? Imo, no. The 2nd noble truth also refers to "becoming" & "delight", which are the same has "attachment". For example, MN 38 says " delight in feelings is attachment ". Therefore, imo, craving alone cannot cause ...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sequence of suffering?
Replies: 18
Views: 403

Re: Sequence of suffering?

Yes, there is dukkha as the characteristic, and dukkha as mental pain. Dukkha as pain can be further divided into suffering as pain ( dukkhadukkhatā ), suffering inherent in the formations ( saṅkhāradukkhatā ) and suffering in change ( vipariṇāmadukkhatā ), as per SN38.14. What I'm talking about is ...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sequence of suffering?
Replies: 18
Views: 403

Re: Sequence of suffering?

craving by itself does not cause dukkha. Neither does clinging by itself. Craving and clinging inherently cause suffering. Unless you are talking about the division of the mind moment, when there is craving and the proceeding conditions have not yet arisen (this occurring all in milliseconds)? enli...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

Re indriya in SN36.22, the five feelings (vedanā) are part of the 22 indriya Are the 22 indriya from Abhidhamma? If so, they could be later additions to the suttas, similar to MN 117, MN 111, etc. Maybe. It is difficult to differentiate what is what. Although, Nyanatiloka Thera says the following i...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sāriputta's Enlightenment in MN 74/111
Replies: 12
Views: 307

Re: Sāriputta's Enlightenment in MN 74/111

But that "as the venerable" segment depends on the timing of the phrase right before it. When did that "Then he thought" happen? while standing there fanning the Buddha or after the session? There's enough wiggle room for interpretations without conflicting with MN 111 . Now on that occasion the ve...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

Would the following be correct? Good question. There is a disagreement in Sutta and the Abhidhamma. Yes, I think there might be important differences with the Sutta and Abhidhamma descriptions of vedanā! Therefore, neutral feeling can be either bodily or mental, but in terms of bodily, it'd only ap...
by samseva
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)
Replies: 16
Views: 392

Re: A Better Understanding of Feeling (Vedanā)

[...] Although I had found SN36.22, SN48.36 and MN148 are very useful. Thanks! My previous impression is "domanassa" is generally a "sankhara" (rather than "vedana"), namely, the culmination of suffering, [...] Although domanassa and somanassa are from the mind, they aren't saṅkhāra. At least, from...
by samseva
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:50 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Applying the Characteristic of Anattā in Social/Conventional Contexts
Replies: 2
Views: 246

Re: Applying the Characteristic of Anattā in Social/Conventional Contexts

While I did find that identifying to a role for certain contexts was of some use, I think it is more out of convenience/ease than it is useful. By thinking of a definite role, such as 'successful businessman', certain characteristics inherently come as a 'package' with that role, and less thinking i...