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by samseva
Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

I don't know why the Buddha would teach a part of the noble eightfold path which (by the words of Budagousa) one in one million can attain. Does it make sense? Everyone can practice some minor degree of right view, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right min...
by samseva
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

An hour daily? Jhana 'lite'? Where do you get this from? Certainly not from me. There is jhana and there is RIGHT effort... there is also 'mindless' jhana but this was rejected by the Buddha as a dead end. It's to point that: if Leigh Brasington/Bhante Vimalaramsi's students can so quickly/easily r...
by samseva
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

rightviewftw wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm Here is what i mean by vipassanajhana;
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There is nothing about "vipassāna-jhāna" in the passages that you posted. It's just a word you invented...
by samseva
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

- So, he is talking about exiting the jhanas. Just after saying this in the video he mentions that only the 1st jhana has background thinking, so, the other jhanas don't have it. And if it appears, that means you are starting to exit the jhanas. And what he said previously (in this quoted part) is ...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

There is no need for anyone to be upset :meditate: I'll continue to delude myself with my imperfect meditation and apparently wanting sila and others can anaesthetise themselves with their perfect meditation and sila. If you take the same way of thinking as "jhāna-light"... from meditating an hour ...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

Moggallana attained arahantship in either 7 or 14 days after meeting the Buddha. The suttas describe that two or one week period as "struggling" in comparison to Sariputta. SN 40 doesn't actually say how long he "struggled" learning first jhana. So there's a relativity to what you're interpreting a...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

I think that its worth remembering that Ven. Moggallāna, who was a master of meditation, struggled with even the 1st Jhana. At one time Venerable Mahāmoggallāna was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. There Venerable Mahāmoggallāna addressed the mendicants: “Reverends,...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

I think the standard theravada interpretation based on the sutta and which is expounded in the abhidhamma is that both 'light jhana [vipassanajhana]' and the 'hard [vsm] jhana' are a thing, the semantic range of abhidhamma 'jhana [states that are good]' is even broader than 'light jhana/vipassanajh...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

Where did Leigh write that? I googled it and there is literally no place on the internet with that senstance except this page of the forum. Even if he did write this, it doesnt say there that there is thinking in the jhanas, it says "next thing", so, it obviously refers to exiting the jhanas. On th...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

"Jhāna-light" believers try to deceive themselves, so that they can pat themselves on the back and say "I've reached jhāna!"

Whereas, if they were a bit more patient and would put more effort into their meditation (as well as their precepts and sīla) they would likely actually reach jhāna...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

(CONTEMPLATION OF MIND) [...] He understands contracted mind as contracted mind, and distracted mind as distracted mind. [...] He understands concentrated mind as concentrated mind, and unconcentrated mind as unconcentrated mind. (1. The Five Hindrances) [...] There being restlessness and remorse i...
by samseva
Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

Ok... 'discernment'... read perception... apperception. And if you've experienced any learned skill as a perfectly linear process with no falling away and not having to skilfully deal with setbacks... good on you. The Buddha's jhana's aren't sealed rooms which you enter for a period of time in mind...
by samseva
Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

Either way, I'll instead take the opinion of skilled and learned monks such as Ven. Anālayo, Buddhaghosa, as well as many modern Sri Lankan/Burmese monks—who have intensely studied the Pāḷi language, but most importantly, who have meditated thousands or tens of thousands of hours... ...over a lay te...
by samseva
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

[...] which is what you appear to be suggesting. What I'm pointing to is that Leigh Brasington says that he's "solidly in the 8th jhāna," all the while there appearing "words," "sentences" and even finding himself "in the middle of some paragraph": I couldn't tell you the number of times, I'm there...
by samseva
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic
Replies: 143
Views: 3516

Re: Theravada if it includes Buddhaghosa is schismatic

Do you maintain that the jhana you are advocating is accompanied by discernment? What you're saying has no basis in the Sutta Piṭaka. What are you even referring to with "discernment"? Like I've already said, unless you pull up the Pāḷi/sutta passages, what you're saying is your 2020 personal opini...