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by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

The point is that in dependent origination nama-rupa ( a person ) arises in dependence on consciousness, not the other way round . This contradicts the scientific view. What exactly is "the person"? The suttas explain: What, monks, is the burden? 'The five groups of clinging' is the answer. Which f...
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

porpoise wrote:I'm still struggling to see the relevance, but if you can find a sutta which clearly describes consciousness arising in dependence on form, I'd be interested to see it.
Multiple suttas were previously posted. :roll:
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

Fundamentalist Christianity & Science may disagree on some fundamental life matters but this disagreement does not necessarily exist between Buddhism & Science. There is certainly less disagreement, but there are still significant differences. The challenge for skeptical Buddhists is how to cope wi...
by Zakattack
Tue May 21, 2013 7:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

Not true, there are clearly 2 options. And in fact if you read the suttas describing dependent origination you will find that "form arising in dependence on consciousness" is described more frequently than "form and consciousness being mutually dependent". The option that the suttas don't describe ...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: first noble truth, SN 56.11 missing sorrow, lamentation, etc
Replies: 6
Views: 2202

Re: first noble truth, SN 56.11 missing sorrow, lamentation,

I then was looking at the pali, and am confused by the lack of "sorrow, lamentation, distress, suffering, despair" from the pali. It seems obvious Buddha did not include these in his 1st sermon but they were later added in. Bhikkhu Bodhi does not include them in his translation of the 1st sermon. H...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 8:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

The scientific view broadly seems to be that consciousness arises in dependence on form ( specifically the brain ), this point has been made repeatedly. But this isn't what's described in the suttas, specifically in the teachings on dependent origination, where 2 options are given: 1. Form arising ...
by Zakattack
Mon May 20, 2013 11:33 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426837

Re: the great rebirth debate

this nonsense about the mind being conditioned by the brain etc is completely meaningless. brain injury can result in loss of mental faculties, including consciousness. physical medicine can render the mind unconsciousness ...does not establish that the brain produced the mind. brain injury can res...
by Zakattack
Sun May 19, 2013 12:21 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 2102

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

Trying to relate kamma to self-ideation is simply misguided. Are you sure? The sutta states: Monk, these are the five aggregates, subjects of clinging....these five-clung-to-aggregates are rooted in desire....whatever passion & delight is there, that's the clinging there....the thought occurs to so...
by Zakattack
Sat May 18, 2013 9:20 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 2102

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

Toward the end, the discussion turns on "what self does action affect?" and the response is that this question is to conceive, just as MN 2 advises us not to do. The issue is thinking in terms of self at any stage to any degree, instead of contemplating in terms of specific conditionality and the a...
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 7:40 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 36
Views: 5046

Re: Abortion

Yes, the canonical sources quoted are helpful. His analysis seems flawed at this point though: The ethical quality of karma has much to do with the happiness or suffering that one deliberately inflicts upon another. When the other is incapable of feeling pleasure or pain, such considerations become...
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 11:16 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Cessation of suffering
Replies: 9
Views: 2393

Re: Cessation of suffering

bartovan wrote:I would very much like to discuss the following with you. In the Pali phrase
"Yo tassa yeva tanhaya asesa-viraga-nirodho cago patinissaggo mutti analayo"
from 23:34 http://www.liberationpark.org/audio/ntruths/8901-5a.mp3

:candle:
by Zakattack
Fri May 17, 2013 10:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?
Replies: 16
Views: 1584

Re: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?

Actually, I think ground's response does answer the question. Or to put it another way, an arahant neither generates nor sustains any sankharas (including kamma) founded in avijja . Friend. There is appreciation ( mudita ) for your metta towards Ground. But the omission of crucial conditions of avi...
by Zakattack
Thu May 16, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?
Replies: 16
Views: 1584

Re: Why does arahant's Cetana not produce kamma/vipaka?

"But when one doesn't intend, arrange, or obsess [about anything], ... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.038.than.html ground, I don't think that really answers Coyote's question. an arahant must intend. intention was included by Buddha as one of the four nutriments & thus necess...
by Zakattack
Thu May 16, 2013 4:54 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma
Replies: 9
Views: 2102

Re: Pls convert PTS Sutta Ref on not-self & kamma

dhammapal wrote:I found the sutta I was looking for: Majjhima Nikaya 109: Maha-punnama Sutta: The Great Full-moon Night Discourse
An interesting sutta, there. But does it actually explain the workings of kamma? If it does, where & how? If not, how can there be kamma?

:shrug:
by Zakattack
Tue May 14, 2013 10:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is There Scriptural Justification for The Wheel
Replies: 19
Views: 1643

Re: Is There Scriptural Justification for The Wheel

What about these? Together, do they show a circularness? In dependence on the sensuality element there arises sensual perception; in dependence on the sensual perception there arises sensual intention; in dependence on the sensual intention there arises sensual desire; in dependence on the sensual d...
by Zakattack
Sun May 12, 2013 10:37 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 36
Views: 5046

Re: Abortion

the problem is in implementing them...having an absolute ban on abortion would not make sense unless we are seeking to create the perfect world where everything akusala is illegal. Should Buddhists concern themselves with these matters? Are the five precepts training rules for individuals that chos...
by Zakattack
Sun May 12, 2013 11:33 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 36
Views: 5046

Re: Abortion

We know that obviously abortion was considered killing a human being in the Buddha's time... Evidence? Does the Vinaya view about citta conform with any sutta attributable to Buddha? If this matter has the "obvious" importance being inferred, why only teachings for monks & nuns about abortion? As I...
by Zakattack
Sun May 12, 2013 11:22 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Abortion sources
Replies: 5
Views: 1880

Re: Abortion sources

Stressful, painful, is the woman's state: so says the tamer of tamable people. Being a co-wife is painful. Some, on giving birth once, slit their throats. Others, of delicate constitution, take poison. In the midst of a breech-birth both [mother & child] suffer destruction. http://www.accesstoinsig...
by Zakattack
Sat May 11, 2013 9:47 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Abortion sources
Replies: 5
Views: 1880

Re: Abortion sources

To a toddler, who moves about with difficulty, there is not even a self. Maha-Malunkhyaputta Sutta Then King Yama presses and questions and cross-questions him about the first divine messenger: ‘Good man, did you not see the first divine messenger to appear in the world?’ He says: ‘I did not, vener...
by Zakattack
Sat May 11, 2013 9:24 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Abortion
Replies: 36
Views: 5046

Re: Abortion

Let us not get 'tricky' then and please avoid public policy debates. I just would like to focus on what the Dhamma taught about abortion. I have never read any specific teaching given by Buddha, for laypeople, about abortion. I have only read Buddha give the general teaching to train to refrain fro...