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by cherrytigerbarb
Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:17 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Compassion and no self.
Replies: 5
Views: 458

Compassion and no self.

Is the practice of compassion for the purpose of realising the truth of no self essence? In other words, by giving yourself to the world, does the illusion of the "I" or "me" thought become weakened and pass away?
by cherrytigerbarb
Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:49 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

I don't think so. Using your example of a car the conditions that lead to a car would include; the discovery of oil and it's refinement to petrol, the building of roads, the invention of an internal combustion engine, the designer of the car, the market demand for the car, investors that provide ve...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:40 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

The Unconditioned is best understood in the context of suffering. When the Buddha spoke about the Unconditioned he was talking about the experience of ending suffering. When you look at it in this context, saying stuff like a car is Unconditioned gives people the impression that you're missing the ...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:22 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

Not that you have shown. Have you read the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā? Ok, let me try to spell this out.... Conventional truth: objects viewed as seperate, discreet, existing in-and-of themselves. - Samsara. Ultimate truth = objects viewed as existing by virtue of the relationships between the parts whic...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:01 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

Everything we experience arises according to causes and conditions that's why the the reality we live in is said to be conditioned..... mind has the capacity to transcend it's conditioning. We are mostly in agreement. The "causes" and "conditions" are the relationships between the objects comprisin...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

tiltbillings wrote:
cherrytigerbarb wrote: Everything is both conditioned and unconditioned at the same time. That's the whole point. Start again at the top to see it explained. :)
Not according to Nagarjuna.
But that's what he meant when he said nirvana and samsara are the same.
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:09 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

There is no "the unconditioned" to know. "freedom from the conditioned" is the realisation that the world is also unconditioned. The world is not "also unconditioned." Everything is both conditioned and unconditioned at the same time. That's the whole point. Start again at the top to see it explain...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:32 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

tiltbillings wrote:
There is no "the unconditioned" to know.
"freedom from the conditioned" is the realisation that the world is also unconditioned.
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:25 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

When the mind transcends conditions, it knows the unconditioned. The mind becomes the unconditioned, the state which no longer contains conditioning factors. The mind is no longer conditioned by the concerns of the world, conditions no longer contaminate the mind. Pleasure and pain no longer affect...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 7:18 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

tiltbillings wrote:
And what is meant by "conditioned" and "unconditioned" in this context?
That's what my original post was all about.
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:43 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

"There is nothing whatsoever of samsara distinguishing (it) from nirvana. There is nothing whatsoever of nirvana distinguishing it from samsara. (That?) is the limit which is the limit of nirvana and the limit of samsara; Even a very subtle interval is not found of (between) them."  - Nagarjuna’s M...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:34 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

Nibbana is viewing the world as conditioned, whilst Samsara is veiwing the world as unconditioned. Please provide a quote which supports this view as it appears to be the opposite of how these terms are normally used. "There is nothing whatsoever of samsara distinguishing (it) from nirvana. There i...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:38 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

It's not true that there are no goals in Buddhism and nothing to achieve. The primary goal in the Buddhist path is to put an end to suffering and it requires effort and its something most people haven't achieve. The only ones who have fully achieved that goal are arahants. In terms of enlightenment...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

The Unconditioned is synonymous with Nibbana and it can't be put into words and concepts. It is something to be experienced for oneself. Therefore, as soon as you start trying to conceptualize the unconditioned you're getting tied up in views. Nibbana is veiwing the world as conditioned, whilst Sam...
by cherrytigerbarb
Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:19 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Conditioned / Unconditioned
Replies: 45
Views: 3176

Re: Conditioned / Unconditioned

I think you've got your terminology mixed up, "conditioned" refers the causes or influences that leads to something arising or occurring, not to the component parts of an object. I think "causes" and "influences" are just other words used in place of "relationships". It is concepts which are "arisi...