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by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:08 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

If Sekha sees sati "as serving only one purpose, which is recollecting," then I would strongly disagree with that. Sekha did not say that. I said that. Returning, if we instruct a person with no exposure to Buddhism to "be aware", that person will probably arouse a certain state of heightened alert...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

. Mindfulness as 'awareness' creates rigidity. Not in my experience. True, each experience is different. If one describes one's experience (which I am not recommending), then another can reply: "Yes, I have experienced that but there is experience beyond that". My point is I genuinely disagree with...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:31 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

You're right. Your translation differs from others. Thank you. But I see no need to enter into a discussion about this here because the verse states: "Mindfulness governs all dhamma". Practices are also dhamma. If you need me to explain the entire sutta to you, you may consider commencing another t...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

But there is a great difference in English between remembrance and awareness. If one is to hold on tenaciously to the former, the problem is that it may induce confusion for practitioners. I am in full agreement, here, Sekha, with your point. However, in my experience, it is sati as 'awareness' tha...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:40 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

As for awareness directed towards phenomena happening in the present moment, in my experience, this is definitely not sati. well then, we disagree. I am tired of addressing your baseless statements. Everyone knows what the definition of samma-sati is. Hello Sekha A poetic sutta at AN 10.58 (althoug...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:39 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

Remembrance is directed to the present perception of a 'past object' (instructions for example), whereas awareness is directed to phenomena happening in the present moment. The most advanced meditation teachers I know of all take sati in the sense of awareness/mindfulness. I don't see any reason to...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

I am digging the issue, and I find out that ekaggata actually does not mean 'one-pointedness' in some suttas, and that it is a mental state in which one still handles thoughts: AN 5.151 “pañcahi, bhikkhave, dhammehi samannāgato suṇanto saddhammaṃ bhabbo niyāmaṃ okkamituṃ kusalesu dhammesu sammattaṃ...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:09 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Sati
Replies: 271
Views: 51565

Re: Pali Term: Sati

I have already debunked this argument Sekha In my understanding, I see little ground, if any, to dispute Dymtro. 'Sati' is rememberance, recollection or mental preoccupation. In respect to meditation, particularly Anapanasati, it is to keep the mind preoccupied with each in & out breathing & the ot...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

Maybe it's this -- the observational function of mindfulness keeps watch not only on the object itself, but on the mind doing the watching... DJ My personal view is how the scriptures about mindfulness are written have lead to the common view that mindfulness watches the meditation object. My readi...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

Where is this stated? :heart: Āraddhaṃ kho pana me, brāhmaṇa, vīriyaṃ ahosi asallīnaṃ, upaṭṭhitā sati asammuṭṭhā , passaddho kāyo asāraddho, samāhitaṃ cittaṃ ekaggaṃ Unflagging persistence was aroused in me, and unmuddled mindfulness established. My body was calm & unaroused, my mind concentrated &...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: MN 117 has been tampered with
Replies: 91
Views: 9704

Re: MN 117: a counterfeit

There is the case where a monk — having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building — reflects thus: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the stilling of all fabrications (= sabba·saṅkhāra·samatha) , the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving, dispassio...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

This is completely baseless. I have quoted the relevent scripture around 3 or 4 times in this thread. How can these discourses be 'baseless'? :reading: you engage in debate by making unfounded statements that merely aim to contradict others. What about considering the possibility that we may simply...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

So, if it is a prerequisite to the first jhana that implies that thoughts subside - and the Buddha makes great deal of handling thoughts - why on earth would he keep total silence on the issue?. The suttas describe that thoughts subside prior to jhana. Vitakka & vicara in the 1st jhana are not refe...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

I suggest keeping to the standard formula for the first jhana, which does not include ekaggata as a factor. You are overlooking the fact ekaggata occurs prior to the description of the jhanas. Āraddhaṃ kho pana me, brāhmaṇa, vīriyaṃ ahosi asallīnaṃ, upaṭṭhitā sati asammuṭṭhā , passaddho kāyo asārad...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

I suggest you examine the Pali text before speaking falsely of the Buddha's teaching. I have. Stock phrase for the 2nd jhana: Vitakkavicārānaṃ vūpasamā ajjhattaṃ sampasādanaṃ cetaso ekodibhāvaṃ avitakkaṃ avicāraṃ samādhijaṃ pītisukhaṃ dutiyaṃ jhānaṃ upasampajja vihāsiṃ. The Pali translated as 'unif...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

So, which English term is translating ekkagattacitta here? None. The terms 'citta ekaggata' are not found in any of the stock descriptions of any of the four jhanas because 'citta ekaggata' is a prerequisite for each jhana. If the Pali is examined, this will be found to be evident. :reading: The st...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

...in the case of the list of the first jhana factors where the Vsm inculdes citassa ekaggata (following the abhidhamma against the suttas) whereas the Buddha speaks of unification of the mind only in the 2nd jhana. It also takes vitakka and vicara in a wrong meaning (precisely because if they refe...
by JhanaStream
Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga
Replies: 26
Views: 3788

Re: Concentration vs Mindfulness in the Visuddhimagga

"the function of preventing wobbling". Hello David The characteristic described above sounds fine to me. Often, the simile of a 'gatekeeper' is used for mindfulness. That function that supervises the mind to prevent it from wobbling is mindfulness. When the mind constantly has one focus (i.e., one ...
by JhanaStream
Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: MN 117 has been tampered with
Replies: 91
Views: 9704

Re: MN 117: a counterfeit

...since there is no mention of the Buddha in the introduction, this sutta has most probably been uttered after his passing away, that is when Ananda was an arahant For me, the evidence stacks up against this. In AN 4.159, it seems an affected bhikkhuni came to Ananda to flirt with him. If Ananda w...
by JhanaStream
Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: MN 117 has been tampered with
Replies: 91
Views: 9704

Re: MN 117: a counterfeit

Anyone will agree that Ananda knows better than you the meaning of chanda! Why could it not have both a wholesome as well as an unwholesome side, just like the word 'desire'? You are certainly not taking a firm refuge there, to rely on Ananda, who was prone to many misunderstandings in the Nikayas....