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by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

I have to correct myself, at the start of the thread I offered my opinion on the kammic effects: "Playing the fundamentalist again? Helping the Nazis? Dear Zom, wake up, don't compare yourself with Buddha and Arahants. You aren't one and neither am I. We don't have the same capabilities as them. Whe...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Calling someone fundamentalist for pointing out the teachings on akusala kamma seems to me to be misguided. :anjali: Mike It would, but it was not on account of the teachings on akusala kamma that I used the word "fundamentalist" - did I? Then please show me where I did so. You seemed to be address...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

mikenz66 wrote:
Calling someone fundamentalist for pointing out the teachings on akusala kamma seems to me to be misguided.



:anjali:
Mike
It would, but it was not on account of the teachings on akusala kamma that I used the word "fundamentalist" - did I? Then please show me where I did so.
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

"Bhikkhus, whatever I have not objected to, saying, 'This is not allowable,' if it fits in with what is not allowable, if it goes against what is allowable, that is not allowable for you. "Whatever I have not objected to, saying, 'This is not allowable,' if it fits in with what is allowable, if it ...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Yes the latter but I would be willing to attempt to eat a huge pile of crap to save a fellow human being. Well that is your imperative. I on the other hand know it wouldn't be worth it in the long run. :jumping: same goes for lying. :tongue: It wouldn't be worth it for you - that's what we call an ...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

The venerable bhikkhu Bodhi about the hypothetical Nazi case: "(3) If I rightly understand Ven. Thanissaro’s position in regard to the hypothetical case of the German couple who are sheltering the Jewish family, he is saying that from the standpoint of the Dhamma, the couple, when questioned by the ...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

"As long as they live, the arahants abandon and abstain from false speech. They speak truth, adhere to truth. They are trustworthy and reliable, no deceivers of the world. Today, for this night and day, I too shall abandon and abstain from false speech. I shall be a speaker of truth, an adherent of...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Zom, again, you're not a Buddha. Don't compare yourself with one. Maybe a living Buddha could have stopped Hitler, who knows? The Buddha is our example, but we should not equate us to him. It would be as silly as muslims or christians equating themselves to god. Lay people even should not equate th...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Zom, again, you're not a Buddha. Don't compare yourself with one. Maybe a living Buddha could have stopped Hitler, who knows? The Buddha is our example, but we should not equate us to him. It would be as silly as muslims or christians equating themselves to god. Lay people even should not equate the...
by Leon-nl
Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:50 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and fallacies of idol worship
Replies: 24
Views: 1512

Re: Buddhism and fallacies of idol worship

(II) As dhammacoustic and I have pointed out, this critique is coming from a group of people who bow down to a black rock five times a day, even if said rock is thousands of miles away. If you ask me, people who worship a black stone have no right to say anything about idol worship! So even the aut...
by Leon-nl
Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Yes...I think you're actually right about something. :namaste: No, he isn't. This is definitely not a fundamentalist site. There are fundamentalist members, but don't let you be chased away by them. Read Bhante Dhammanando's point of view earlier in the thread. Topics like these and others are mora...
by Leon-nl
Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Some Buddhists teach that you never lie no matter what. To me, sometimes by lying you can actually generate good karma( that's only my personal opinion). Lying is just an unwholesome action, no matter what the circumstances are. Buddha never lies. Arahants never lie. If something is not to be said,...
by Leon-nl
Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When is it ok to lie?
Replies: 157
Views: 7031

Re: When is it ok to lie?

Always try to follow religious rules as good as you can, but never be a fundamentalist who is out of touch with reality. Not really an answer to your question, but (about telling lies in a broader sense) this might interest you nevertheless: [1] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be un...
by Leon-nl
Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: euthanasia
Replies: 158
Views: 5642

Re: euthanasia

Witholding water? Most people die within 3 days from not drinking water. What better way can you ask for, you say.... really?!!!! If you don't feel live living unbearable pain with no chances of recovery, you stop consuming water and you die within a few days. No one kills anyone and it's not suici...
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:15 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and fallacies of idol worship
Replies: 24
Views: 1512

Re: Buddhism and fallacies of idol worship

The internet is full of sites like http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (by muslims) and http://answering-islam.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and so on, and so on... sometimes Buddhism is attacked, too, but mostly, Buddhist...
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:01 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: Give your 5 best links on Buddhism
Replies: 10
Views: 964

Re: Give your 5 best links on Buddhism

Thank you, Bhante Dhammanando. Several interesting new links for me, and yes, Buddhasāsanā Page should not be forgotten in a collection of links.
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: euthanasia
Replies: 158
Views: 5642

Re: euthanasia

Pardon me if I've ruffled your feathers, Leon-nl; it wasn't my intention. I'm not looking to enter this debate, as it seems to have gone past the point of potential benefit. My post was not to you specifically, but to all those reading, so that they may interpret the quoted recollection according t...
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: euthanasia
Replies: 158
Views: 5642

Re: euthanasia

Not to enter into this emotionally-charged debate, but just for the sake of clarity, medicines to alleviate pain are allowed by the Buddha and would not be considered intoxicants: The fourth of the Recollections of the Bhikkhu's Requisites is: "Properly considering medicinal requisites for curing t...
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: euthanasia
Replies: 158
Views: 5642

Re: euthanasia

First things first, euthanasia is a deliberate act of killing another person. I'm being painted as heartless and selfish again because I am not for euthanasia (whatever sense that makes). Truth be told, it is a result of narrow vision where there are no other solutions other than killing the suffer...
by Leon-nl
Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: euthanasia
Replies: 158
Views: 5642

Re: euthanasia

The "funny" thing is, that the fundamentalists here who are against being compassionate and close their eyes for extreme suffering of both animals and humans, just forget about the fifth precept that stipulates that no intoxicants should be used. Intoxicants and medication are two different things....