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by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is a sexual relationship with a legitimate partner not considered attachment (greed)?
Replies: 187
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Re: Is a sexual relationship with a legitimate partner not considered attachment (greed)?

When monks and nuns went forth into the homeless life, from ant sect or none, I believe they were considered to be legally dead, so technically his wife would have been classed as a widow. I think I remember a sutta or vinaya reference about a monk visiting with his pre ordaining family.....this do...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

This is the experience of Nibbana. Within it there is no dukkha. Obviously the Buddha wasn’t constantly in this state, and so he wasn’t constantly in Nibbana. Everyone, Look at this! Ceisiwr thinks he knows what states the buddha was in and for how long!.....and that it is OBVIOUS!! wow chownah Thi...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Ceisiwr wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:54 pm The Buddha and Arahants still experienced some forms of dukkha, whilst alive and walking around.
....but they did not suffer from it.....the buddha taught the end of suffering.....
chownah
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Pain is suffering because of present ignorance. chownah The lamentation due to pain is dukkha, and pain itself is dukkha. Pleasant vedana is also dukkha, as is equanimity. There is no freedom from dukkha in the world, because the whole world is dukkha. Lamentation due to any unconditioned dhamma is...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

It’s the standard Theravādin view, The "standard theravadin view" is a myth. The theravada is very close with its scriptures: "In such a case, bhikkhus, the declaration of such a bhikkhu is neither to be received with approval nor with scorn. Without approval and without scorn, but c...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Pain is dukkha in of itself. Conditioned dhammas are dukkha because they are impermanent. Pain's suffering is a function of the individual's ignorance.....when ignorance is dispelled there is no suffering from pain. Conditioned dhammas are unsatisfactory for those dwelling in ignorance because of t...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

This is the experience of Nibbana. Within it there is no dukkha. Obviously the Buddha wasn’t constantly in this state, and so he wasn’t constantly in Nibbana. Everyone, Look at this! Ceisiwr thinks he knows what states the buddha was in and for how long!.....and that it is OBVIOUS!! wow chownah
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

They still experience dukkha. They perception of all conditioned dhammas is that of them being anicca, dukkha and anatta. Whatever they experience they do not suffer from it since they have abandoned ignorance. Regardless of whatever perceptions they might have their understanding of conditioned dh...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Concerning nibbana: There are a plethora of definitions due to a plethora of misunderstandings and understanding. There are a plethhora of definitions (for nibbana) among those whose understanding is based on views....there is not a plethora of definitoins (for nibbana) among those whose understandi...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

All conditioned dhammas are dukkha. Pleasant vedana is dukkha. Pain is dukkha. Sound is dukkha. Smell is dukkha. Equanimity is dukkha. Seeing this way is Right View. Ultimately there is merely suffering and it’s absence (Nibbana) with the two being the complete opposites of each other. Right View i...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Suffering can be the mental torment in the present of wailing and lamentation etc due to clinging, but it’s also pain and conditioned dhammas themselves. Suffering arises because of ignorance about conditioned dhammas. Buddhas and arahants have dispelled ignorance concerning conditioned dhammas so ...
by chownah
Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

They still experience unsatisfactory dhammas, and still experience pain. Pain is intrinsically dukkha. All conditioned dhammas are intrinsically dukkha. This is why any form of existence is dukkha. The pleasant vedana of Jhana is dukkha because it doesn’t last. Whatever they experience they do not ...
by chownah
Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Once awakened, buddhas and arahants do not suffer because they have dispelled ignorance including ignorance about impermanence. chownah They still experience unsatisfactory dhammas, and still experience pain. Pain is intrinsically dukkha. All conditioned dhammas are intrinsically dukkha. This is wh...
by chownah
Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

Their unsatisfactoriness is related to their impermanence, which isn't subjective. Their unsatisfactoriness is related to the suffering which arises due to ignorance of their impermanence, which is subjective. chownah Impermanence is suffering, along with pain. The unsatisfactoriness of dhammas is ...
by chownah
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are views form? Including the right view?
Replies: 114
Views: 5151

Re: Are views form? Including the right view?

First of all, I didn't affirm that conditioned dhammas can sometimes bring satisfaction. Also satisfaction is something related to a subject who would experience it. Their unsatisfactoriness is related to their impermanence, which isn't subjective. Their unsatisfactoriness is related to the sufferi...