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by Kumara
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Yoniso Manasikara
Replies: 17
Views: 1162

Re: Yoniso Manasikara

On manasikāra alone, see this: viewtopic.php?t=11734#p177671
by Kumara
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: yoniso manasikara in the texts.
Replies: 11
Views: 1083

Re: yoniso manasikara in the texts.

On manasikāra alone, see this: viewtopic.php?t=11734#p177671
by Kumara
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:25 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Yoniso Manasikāro
Replies: 7
Views: 2093

Re: Pali Term: Yoniso Manasikāro

On manasikāra alone, see this: viewtopic.php?t=11734#p177671
by Kumara
Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā

How about using a verb? "attending to wisely/unwisely" "handling appropriately/inappropriately" "dealing with wisely/unwisely" "reacting to wisely/unwisely" It would be suitable when the Pali is the verb form: manasikaroti, to which VRI's dictionary provides "To mind, to attend, to pay attention to...
by Kumara
Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Yoniso Manasikara
Replies: 17
Views: 1162

Re: Yoniso Manasikara

The way I understand it now Yoniso Manasikara is very big basket and it contains many small baskets. It is relevant to four noble truths and the Noble Eightfold Path. Manasikara is a universal mental faculty and applies to every consciousness. That seems so to me too. Do you have in mind any suitab...
by Kumara
Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Yoniso Manasikara
Replies: 17
Views: 1162

Re: Yoniso Manasikara

rolling_boulder wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:04 pm
Yoniso manasikara is paying attention in ways that do not produce suffering.
Is there any basis for making this connection?

I mean, "paying attention in ways that do not produce suffering" is great, but how can we know if that's what it means.
by Kumara
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:00 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā

perpahsa This might help us along: ālokasaññaṃ manasikareyyāsi (AN7.61) Literally, it's "You should make in the mind the perception of light." In any case, it suggests that saññāmanasikārā isn't a dvanda. which is closer in the meaning of the two; "one should attend to the perception of light in th...
by Kumara
Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:46 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Re: ālokasaññaṃ manasikareyyāsi (Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā)

Kumara wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:32 am
This might help us along:
ālokasaññaṃ manasikareyyāsi (AN7.61)

Literally, it's "You should make in the mind the perception of light."

In any case, it suggests that saññāmanasikārā isn't a dvanda.
Meaning-wise, perhaps "You should conceptualise the perception of light."
by Kumara
Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:32 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

ālokasaññaṃ manasikareyyāsi (Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā)

This might help us along:
ālokasaññaṃ manasikareyyāsi (AN7.61)

Literally, it's "You should make in the mind the perception of light."

In any case, it suggests that saññāmanasikārā isn't a dvanda.
by Kumara
Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:26 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā

i think cognition is too close to consciousness as it also cognizes. So manasikara effectively becomes vinnana if one translates it as cognition because both cognize. I personally like consideration. I really get you. I actually tried "cognition" for "viññāṇa" earlier, as in eye-cognition, etc. Pre...
by Kumara
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:53 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Re: Translating saññāmanasikārā

As I mentioned, I prefer to understand manasikāra literally as 'making in the mind'. I don't know what the best English translation is, maybe 'consideration'? I think the most common translation is 'attention', but this doesn't convey the meaning of manasikāra for me. That's what I think too. "Atte...
by Kumara
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:40 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Translating saññāmanasikārā
Replies: 29
Views: 669

Translating saññāmanasikārā

I've been pondering over this term: saññāmanasikārā Bhikkhu Bodhi: perception and attention (From Connected Discourses of the Buddha, SN 40.1) Ajahn Thanissaro: attention to perceptions (From https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an09/an09.041.than.html) Would like to ask those who has researc...
by Kumara
Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: yoniso manasikara in the texts.
Replies: 11
Views: 1083

Re: yoniso manasikara in the texts.

In deciding what yoniso manasikara means—without being misled by available translations and interpretations, consider a passage quoted earlier: S 45.55/5:31: Dawn, bhikshus, is the forerunner, the harbinger of sun-rise. Even so, bhikshus, for a monk this is the forerunner, the harbinger of the arisi...
by Kumara
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:58 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Yoniso Manasikāro
Replies: 7
Views: 2093

Re: Pali Term: Yoniso Manasikāro

yoniso manasikāra is wise cognition Thank you, Bhante. In your opinion where does Yoniso Maansikara fit Noble Eightfold Path? Which limb? This question may not be useful. But if I must specify something, I'd say it's under the wisdom component. Anyway, consider this: ... this is the forerunner and ...
by Kumara
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Samma Sati and Yoniso Manasikara?
Replies: 100
Views: 2803

Re: What is the difference between Samma Sati and Yoniso Manasikara?

Prompted by a student of mine, I recently gave "yoniso manasikāra" much thought, and made my conclusion here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6006&p=481382#p481382