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by Kumara
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:28 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
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Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

Correct, hindrances to true meditation (jhana), not "all defilements". The hindrances are called ‘nivarana’ which seems to imply semantically they are the opposite of nibbana It seems to , in your opinion. But does it make sense? As you quoted Piya, “Only six of the 10 fetters (saṁyojana) overlap i...
by Kumara
Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

In AN 9:40 for example, the hindrances are first abandoned and entry into the first jhana is achieved. The hindrances cannot arise during immersion in the jhana as the mind is fixed on one-pointedness and the other factors of the first jhana. In this sense, the hindrances are suppressed. It is temp...
by Kumara
Wed May 30, 2018 9:37 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

So in regards to this; It seems one engaging in the fourth jhana is like an arahant, but not in lesser jhanas. Thanks! An Arahant is not always in the 4th Jhana as i interperet it but i may be wrong . An Arahant is consumate in virtue, in concentration and discernment therefore no delusion as i und...
by Kumara
Wed May 30, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

I've seen statements like "When one is in jhana, all defilements are suppressed temporarily." Is there any scriptural source for this? No. This may have evolved from Patisambhidamagga: http://www.palikanon.com/english/wtb/n_r/pahaana.htm Thanks. I see "vikkhambhana-pahāna" there for the hindrances....
by Kumara
Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

There is this: “Not for all pleasant feeling, friend Visākha, (is there) a tendency to passion that should be abandoned, not for all unpleasant feeling (is there) a tendency to repulsion that should be abandoned, not for all neither-unpleasant-nor-pleasant feeling (is there) a tendency to ignorance...
by Kumara
Wed May 30, 2018 6:47 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

Could perhaps upakilesa refer to specific states listed in Upakilesa Sutta such as inattention, excess energy etc rather than defilements in a broader sense? That's an interesting point. Thanks. Assuming that's correct, then "upakkilesa" in MahaSaccaka Sutta (MN36) actually just refers to blemish/i...
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

However, I wonder if saying the mind is "vigatūpakkilesa" also means the mind is freed—even if just temporarily—from all samyojanas (fetters), e.g., I am’ conceit (māna), non-sensual desire, own-self view, passion for form and for the formless. Now, I'm wondering if "upakkilesa" may have a more limi...
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 9:54 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

Sorry. Just saw your post. There is this in the Maha-Saccaka Sutta, where the 4th Jhana (at least) is described as being free from defilements: When the mind was thus concentrated, purified, bright, unblemished, rid of defilement , pliant, malleable, steady, & attained to imperturbability https://ww...
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

So far it seems there's no scriptural source for this. It's probably just an evolved misunderstanding.
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 7:25 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

I'm wondering if it might have come from a later text. I can't recall reading anywhere that all defilements temporarily suppressed when in Jhana. Jhana specifically refer to five hindrances. Where did you find it? You can google it. FYI, I've heard it before Google existed, before the Internet was ...
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 7:23 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

I appreciate the attention given to this thread, but please let me highlight my query again:
Kumara wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 2:40 am
I've seen statements like "When one is in jhana, all defilements are suppressed temporarily." Is there any scriptural source for this?
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 7:20 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

The "suppressed" word is a translation issue. If I remember correctly it's just a different way some translators translate Purified or Cleansed or Abandoned. Source? I'm referring to "all defilements", not just the 5 hindrances. Thanks for trying anyway. The 5 hindrances are the cause of all the de...
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

DooDoot wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 4:21 am
I haven't yet read the term "suppression" in any suttas in relation to jhana.
Same here. I don't expect to find such an idea in the Suttas. I'm wondering if it might have come from a later text.
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 4:16 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

paul wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 3:59 am
“...the five hindrances..."
I'm referring to "all defilements", not just the 5 hindrances. Thanks for trying anyway.
by Kumara
Thu May 24, 2018 2:40 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 39
Views: 569

Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

I've seen statements like "When one is in jhana, all defilements are suppressed temporarily." Is there any scriptural source for this?