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by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

aversion=emotion, dispassion=reason I don't think one can develop dispassion by just reasoning. The suttas, commentaries, and modern teachers seem to be in agreement that it is something that has come from experiential knowledge. :anjali: Mike Its experiential in the way that there is dispassion "a...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Seems like there is a conventional/unconventional dichotomy in the use of the word 'aversion.' The conventional leads to further conditioning/attachment, while the unconventional (aversion to mental fabrications or further conditioning) leads to deconditioning/dispassion/release. Its not that its c...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

aversion=emotion, dispassion=reason I don't think one can develop dispassion by just reasoning. The suttas, commentaries, and modern teachers seem to be in agreement that it is something that has come from experiential knowledge. :anjali: Mike Its experiential in the way that there is dispassion "a...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Seems like there is a conventional/unconventional dichotomy in the use of the word 'aversion.' The conventional leads to further conditioning/attachment, while the unconventional (aversion to mental fabrications or further conditioning) leads to deconditioning/dispassion/release. Its not that its c...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

aversion=emotion, dispassion=reason
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

I cant explain fully now cause i have to work, but if your caught between infered phenomonology and literal experience i recommend reasearching what Antonio Damasio has termed the "as if body loop" with refrence to the reason there are 5 clinging aggregates and 5 normal aggregates. Freedom from meta...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

i cringe at the idea of instutionalizing these terms, as there is obvioulsy a reason why pali is still a spoken, (hopefully dead) but never the less spoken language. and also i think we should be carefull to keep USE more important than Meaning, as far as the inspiration convayed by an english term ...
by squarepeg
Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

. . . . There is no "deathless state" unless you mean one is no longer reborn then no longer dies and if you mean that one is no longer characterized by the conditioning of greed, hatred, and delusion -- in other words one is nibbana-ized. And there is no point in calling it "deathless," given the ...
by squarepeg
Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

I feel asthough there is a tendonsey to take buddhist termonolgy out of the context of a living organism when pali terms act as a foundation for cultural concepts and wording. They are taken as entities, that is to say that a pali term, i feel, is seen as being created by the Buddha with a set amout...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Im Sofa King We Tod Did
When one sees this with understanding
that is the path to suffering

:jumping:

Who's on first?

:focus:
by squarepeg
Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Thank you guys... From what I understand, without spending much time pondering your kind and most excellent answers, is that one needs faith to progress, and that the theory of annihilationism shows dukha as an unlikely chance (ahah, nice one). However my feeling is that you are not really answerin...
by squarepeg
Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "The Deathless" (amata)
Replies: 423
Views: 43195

Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Apart from the excellent moral and ethical values associated with following the Buddha's teachings , would it make sense to follow the Buddha's path if the above was actually true? Apart for excellent moral and ethical values is life worth living? Dose life have to tie up in a neat package called "...
by squarepeg
Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Contemplation of the body
Replies: 15
Views: 1833

Re: Contemplation of the body

I try to think of it as a festering, disgusting, pile of crap that is worthless for anything but dying and causing pain from slight discomfort to full blown panic. All these thoughts only cause aversion if you identify the body as "you". Dispassion is the aim, is it not? as far as dispassion goes i ...
by squarepeg
Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:13 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Learn Buddha Vacana
Replies: 13
Views: 2047

Re: Learn Buddha Vacana

:bow: :clap: :bow:
by squarepeg
Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:00 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: The interpretation of the 8 precepts
Replies: 29
Views: 5540

Re: The interpretation of the 8 precepts

Are you speaking from experience?
My job consists of light construction work, i havent had much trouble keeping the 6th percept. All i want is to offer the view point that it is still a possiblility in this day and age to keep the 8 percepts as a lay person.
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:25 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: The interpretation of the 8 precepts
Replies: 29
Views: 5540

Re: The interpretation of the 8 precepts

All 8 percepts are possible to 99% of people. Sense restraint around music and television, and allowing minor transgressions (glancing and singing) to be noted and fall from mind keep faith from waining. Eating only before noon means you wake up earlyer and appriciate those who suffer to create the ...
by squarepeg
Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:54 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: A Discussion of Western Buddhist Monasticism
Replies: 39
Views: 7882

Re: A Discussion of Western Buddhist Monasticism

I live in rural indiana, and even in the bible belt i attend a temple once a week supported by western lay people. we have one monk in residence but raise enough funds to house other monks from surrounding states once a month or so. its a house. with a monk that lives there. nothing special. even in...
by squarepeg
Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:50 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Questions about hearing.
Replies: 5
Views: 673

Re: Questions about hearing.

I think the word 'illusion' merits more examination. When a magician performs an illusion, such as pulling a rabbit out of a hat, both the rabbit and hat are real; it's just that things are not as they appear. My personal view is that saying sound is an illusion, could mean that we don't actually h...
by squarepeg
Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath
Replies: 107
Views: 11478

Re: Thanissaro Bikkhu and manipulation of the breath

greetings, I found this essay helpfull, i also find it relevent to the aim of the OP. De-perception "After all, you're not meditating to get to the breath. You're meditating to understand the processes leading to suffering so that you can put an end to them. The way you relate to your perceptions is...
by squarepeg
Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:32 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Questions about hearing.
Replies: 5
Views: 673

Re: Questions about hearing.

Thank you :)

:anjali: