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by Zom
Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can a sotāpanna committ suicide?
Replies: 77
Views: 993

Re: Can a sotāpanna committ suicide?

IB Horner writes ""
It's a pity only theravadin commentaries survived. It would be really interesting and beneficial to read commentaries from other earliest schools 8-)
by Zom
Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahant and Vibhava Tanha
Replies: 13
Views: 107

Re: Arahant and Vibhava Tanha

The question is , What is Lust , Desire , Craving ,
Is this Has to do with 5/6 sense objects only ?!
Or nothing to do with wishes to live and die?
Of course it has. To live is, actually, to experience 6/12 sense bases.
by Zom
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahant and Vibhava Tanha
Replies: 13
Views: 107

Re: Arahant and Vibhava Tanha

Vibhava is annihilation of bhava . Vibhavatanha is craving for non-existence. The crucial word here is craving. While vibhava is nowhere explained in the suttas, still, there is a lot about craving, which doesn't actually lead out of samsara. I think bhavatanha is simple (but fundamental) desire to...
by Zom
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:04 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: The Gandhabba
Replies: 33
Views: 1274

Re: The Gandhabba

It doesn't really make sense, if that's just it. There has to be more material. Otherwise there is an antarabhāva. And we know that no such thing exists in Theravāda. Orthodox theravadins don't care much about cogency in such uncomfortable doctrine cases. They just say "this is what is meant" and y...
by Zom
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:26 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: The Gandhabba
Replies: 33
Views: 1274

Re: The Gandhabba

eternal changing soul is perhaps correct. Eternal cannot exist without unchanging, since if something is changing, then it exists because of particular impermanent conditions, and when they cease, this thing ceases too. This is called Iddapaccayata, the main buddhist principle. One's personal samsa...
by Zom
Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: The Gandhabba
Replies: 33
Views: 1274

Re: The Gandhabba

So the gandhabba is something like a "virtual being" in the manner of a "virtual particle"? As far as I understood, Commy just says that it is a dying person, that's it .) While I generally enjoy his hermeneutics of Theravada, I find that his 'gandhabba' sounds a bit too much like a soul for me; es...
by Zom
Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can a sotāpanna committ suicide?
Replies: 77
Views: 993

Re: Can a sotāpanna committ suicide?

then what are the evidences he was ariya before that?
Most clear evidences are in Channa sutta SN 35.87. Channa does say there a statement, elsewhere identified as samma-ditthi. Putthujana doesn't have such view.
by Zom
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

I know scholar monks who disagree with that.
World-known Eternalist Thanissaro, yes, I know 8-) Quite strange how some learned buddhists end up with being brahmanists :roll:
by Zom
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

clearly that is what it means, do you want to read the chapter? It is called Experiencing Nibbana. Yes, impermanent conditioned arahant's consiousness aka "vinnyana adissana" is experiencing nibbana. That is what he says, and all other scholar monks .) The consiousness itself is NOT nibbana. Nibban...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

Sure lets end it with a Mahasi Sayadaw quote;
I hope you do understand that he doesn't mean that "vinnyanam adissanam" = "nibbana" 8-)
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

I'll better end with Mahasi quote ) In nibbāna there are no such things as mind or mental concomitants, which can be met with in the sense-sphere or form-sphere. It naturally follows that mind and matter that belong to the thirty-one planes of existence are totally absent in nibbāna. However, some w...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

where did you supposedly disprove it the usefulness? Starting from here . But for some strange reason (I think this is just a denial, unwillingness to accept a mistake) you can't understand an obvious thing that a particular phenomenon's cessation can be easily observed (fire simile), and as I've a...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

How about #3 where you can neither comprehend nor disprove what i am saying? I've already disproved what you are saying (concerning the "usefulness" of "eternal mind"), but you keep saying exactly the same thing as you did before that - and since we start going in circles, discussion is closed by f...
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhikkhu Sujato's Four Nikaya translations as Ebooks—October 2018
Replies: 40
Views: 784

Re: Bhikkhu Sujato's Four Nikaya translations as Ebooks—October 2018

And the choices are made out of biases.
Speaking of which... translating "sankharas" as "choices"? Really? Well, yes, I'm still using Ven. Bodhi versions too. Haven't found anything more precise yet. :reading:
by Zom
Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!
Replies: 113
Views: 2440

Re: Are Rapture and Pleasure (Piti Sukha) Experienced in Nibbana? It Seems So!

This is not sakkaya-ditthi at all beause this is not a heaven or a world wherein a soul lives, nor is it a soul of a being or a state of a being We go in circles. Main question is very simple: either you are an eternalist (if you think this is a "state of arahant after death"), or you introduce add...