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by Zom
Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:47 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts
Replies: 8
Views: 271

Re: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts

how come Brahma Viharas are critical to awakening They are not. Then again, even this term "brahmavihara" is a late one, it occurs only once or twice in Nikayas. in the earliest teachings Brahma was actually a deeper concept than just a deity. No, because it is (Maha Brahma) just a being ...
by Zom
Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:12 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts
Replies: 8
Views: 271

Re: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts

There are opinions by serious scholars that even the Nikayas already contain mixed materials from different sects rather than a single unified sangha. Nikayas contain some later suttas, yes, but 95% is a solid non-contradictory material. I know Nikayas very well so I know what I'm talking about. I ...
by Zom
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:44 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?
Replies: 14
Views: 345

Re: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?

In that case they all likely share the same sexuality
by "they" you mean whom?
by Zom
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:42 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts
Replies: 8
Views: 271

Re: The issues of Brahma concept in early texts

Not Buddha, but the doctrine in the early texts taken as a whole.
If we speak about early texts, we don't speak about early schools then, but about unified ancient sangha with one doctrine. And no, these texts have no inner contradictions on the matter.
by Zom
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:24 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?
Replies: 14
Views: 345

Re: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?

I see no reason why a gay man or woman couldn't be ordained.
I see an obvious reason. It's as if heterosexual monk would ordain to live in a harem :lol:
by Zom
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:03 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Okay, read AN 9.35 closer.
by Zom
Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:47 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Actually... you don't. And the sutta I referenced seems to disprove your point. That's not to say that they can't be accessed via the fourth jhana but it doesn't appear to be a necessity. I told you already, one can't simply jump into arupa-attainments ignoring previous 4 jhanas. Pali Canon has eno...
by Zom
Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:16 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Note that the Infinitude of space, consciousness, nothingness and neither perception nor non-perception are all perceptions accessed via perception of earth with no mention of the four jhanas. I already commented on this above. Not mentioning jhanas does not mean you don't need them. Actually you do.
by Zom
Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:10 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

What you claimed is spectacular. That the kasinas are application of jhana practice alone, which implies that kasina cannot be practice pre-jhana which then with step by step training going into jhana. And that somehow a few century after Buddha, monks and nuns misunderstood the Buddha, going bat c...
by Zom
Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:30 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

I'm not denying that are a few references to colour kasinas in the suttas but the validity of those references is a bit iffy Again, one should have jhanic experience to express such doubts. Interesting thing about those 4 colors mentioned is that prism breaks white light into spectrum that has othe...
by Zom
Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:43 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Where is that? I wouldn’t say they are rather clear. Rather they are quite obscure in the suttas. In the very description of kasinas themselves. If the kasinas are developed in Jhana, how can one be aware of the gross physical body? One does not exclude the other. Depends on focus of perception, as...
by Zom
Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:23 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Kasina was mentioned in the Sutta but the actual practice was kind of not clear to me. The most comprehensive sources I know were from Visuddhi/Vimutti-magga. So, please elaborate your take in detail and share the references from the Pali canon, if possible the actual practice itself and not just w...
by Zom
Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:14 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

You just read MN 121 in a wrong way. It doesn't say you enter jhana on perception of forest/earth. It says you enter this way 1st arupa attainment. But to do this, you have to be in 4th jhana already. You can't simply jump into arupa from simple restricted ordinary consiousness (see AN 9.35). This i...
by Zom
Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:12 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Personally I don't think it matters if you gain the perception in a grove or via a clay disc, as long as the result is the same. When I practice for the fire Kasiṇa i focus on a candle flame, trying to ignore everything else. This is incorrect method. Kasina is a non-dual perception inside jhana, n...
by Zom
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:11 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

In Pali canon kasinas are not devices. They are states of mind in jhanic samadhi. Since that is so, "kasina meditation" was just an aspect of jhanic meditation, something to be done when jhanas are already attained. Centuries later someone introduced kasinas as physical disks, which is obv...