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by Zom
Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:09 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

Yes, I certainly agree with that, that an anagami would have to attain at least the first jhana, but again this does not mean that everyone who attains first jhana is an anagami.
I've said already about Right Views factor.. -)
by Zom
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Nibanna and sleep
Replies: 3
Views: 59

Re: Nibanna and sleep

In deep sleep, there is no awareness of body or world.
Are you sure? Maybe you just don't remember (no "record mode" ,)
by Zom
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:22 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

First jhana is not a guarantee of non-return from the way all those and other passages read. It is a guarantee if you have 1st path factor accomplished - that is - Right Views. (see "Autumn sutta"). Also, it works backwards as well - you can reach jhanas without Right Views factor, but as soon as y...
by Zom
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:16 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

It follows that formula for all the jhanas and formless realms, not just the first jhana. There is the potential, the opportunity to waste away the five fetters in any of those jhanas and attain the Pure Abodes; it does not say it is a requirement that it must be so that only the first jhana for th...
by Zom
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:01 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

But you still haven't provided any sutta support for that. I've heard that good proficiency in 4th jhana is required for non-returning, not 1st jhana. First jhāna is not even close to arahantship All right then. MN 64 - here you go. Or, AN 3.94. Or, AN 11.16. Alara Kalama and Udaka Ramaputta were h...
by Zom
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:03 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

From my understanding, that would entail complete mastery of jhana. Which I agree is unlikely. But I don't think that implies that isn't impossible for many people to access at least first jhana quite regularly. Yes, this is a common answer - however, even "masters" can't show smth like that - thos...
by Zom
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:30 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 467
Views: 74081

Re: Monks Average Meditation Routine

why do you think that? I've heard of many lay people getting into jhana. And many well regarded monks teach them how to do it, and verify they're doing it. Yes, many talks about jhanas, vipassanas, etc. This is a "modern trend" nowadays in Buddhism. But talking about a thing, or even "verifying" it...
by Zom
Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:25 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Names of Dīgha-nikāya suttas
Replies: 5
Views: 129

Re: Names of Dīgha-nikāya suttas

I guess ven. Bodhi mentioned that Digha has a vivid proselytic spirit. Many episodes of speaking with brahmins, etc..
by Zom
Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

We do not, however, know the full extent of what "ancient Buddhists" did or did not do. Much is left unsaid, undescribed. But we do know what did they do and what did they say. This is important. If this was written down - this is really important. Unsaid, undescribed - is something, obviously, not...
by Zom
Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

This is also a very tiring thing for others, because if one wants to discuss certain meditation techniques, but then one is unable to do so because of the constant claims of "not-buddhist", "not sutta" one is liable to just shut up or go elsewhere. You can do whatever you want, meditate how you lik...
by Zom
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

This is the explanation of "long/short" breathing (1st and 2nd steps of 16) in Visuddhimagga: He breathes in and breathes out long in-breaths and out-breaths reckoned as an extent. As he breathes in and breathes out long in-breaths and out-breaths reckoned as an extent, zeal arises. Through zeal he ...
by Zom
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

Your criticism is grounded in opinion, but certainly not experience. Quite bold statement, don't you think? But, if you are really interested, from the perspective of personal experience I can say this: if you really want an effective preliminary exercise - you should build up and keep up heightene...
by Zom
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

it clearly has helped some like Sunlun sayadaw reach arhatship. If you believe in that. No we are not speaking about forcing it, only manipulating it in a certain way to arouse mindfulness. As far as I remember from J. Kornfield book, he described this practice exactly as forcing the breath. Not fo...
by Zom
Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

But no such stipulation is found in the Suttas or the Visuddhimagga or in any other Theravadin source. The status of the claim in the Theravada is not that of a "traditional understanding" but merely that of a widely held modern opinion, though not by any means a universally held one. We are speaki...
by Zom
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

counting breaths, which, while not directly spelled out in the suttas, has been used in anapanasati for centuries. The use of "Buddho" is not spelled out in the suttas either, but it still counts as anapanasati. Another example is the visualization of nimittas at the nose tip and so on. These devel...
by Zom
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

Also, there is nothing that says that the concentration cultivated by a Sunlun style of initial strong breathing cannot be used to do the practices outlined MN 118 once the initial strong breathing exercise is stopped and breathing normally is resumed. As the “normal” breathing resumes after a peri...
by Zom
Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

Now since it is easily established that many Buddhists in Burma practice this technique, then we can say it is a Buddhist practice. I haven't heard this is practised anywhere widely. But again, even if it is - tantric practices, which are pure non-Dhamma, are also "buddhist" in this sense. In other...
by Zom
Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

That's one approach and its fine, but you have no right to go around calling people non-Buddhist simply because they use a technique not spelled out in the suttas. That's what's called around these here parts "fundamentalism" Very simple. If something is not based neither on discourses nor on comme...
by Zom
Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

That's only one part of the sutta. It also speaks of arousing mindfulness and energy (viriya) - and it doesn't really explain how, this is just as good a method as any other to arouse vigor. These qualities are based entirely on faith (saddha), wisdom (pannya), rightviews (sammaditthi), and an urge...
by Zom
Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 2027

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

I am not sure why you seem to think it goes quite far from Buddhism. If it is a practice which helps arouse sati and viriya, why would it be so? It simply goes against canonical texts, including, of course, the major one - anapanasati sutta, which speaks about calming the breath (and calming other ...