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by Zom
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:00 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

I think the kind of Thai monks you're talking about would probably reply that you're presenting a false dichotomy here. They would say that their "personal spiritual way of life" consists in accumulating merit Most of thai monks I met, talked to, and knew personally didn't really have that goal. Th...
by Zom
Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:41 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

My original point is that there are not certain specific and identifiable "preliminary stages" which need to be developed/reached before ordaining. Well, easily maintained (for a long period of time, without a lapse) wholesome bodily, verbal, mental behavior is specific enough and observable. Also,...
by Zom
Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:44 am
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

If you can get the university education why do you have to enroll? James already presented a list of benefits one can get in the monkhood - this is why. For a prepared person monkhood can offer best conditions for advancing further. However, it is not obligatory, as we see from the suttas (yes, I m...
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Well you can make that correlation but it is not supported by sutta, as far as I know. There were certainly a number of monastics whose behaviour was not great even when the Buddha was still teaching. Are there instances of the Buddha telling someone not to go forth due to being not advanced enough...
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:07 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I appreciate that the Buddha taught gradual path but I don't recall it as being practice as a lay person and then practice as a monk. This is because there is no such thing as a Path for monks and a Path for others .) The stages themselves require certain level of behavio...
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The great Abhidhamma Pitaka authenticity debate
Replies: 290
Views: 58882

Re: The great Abhidhamma Pitaka authenticity debate

Debate? No, of course not -)

But others, who doesn't know all this, at least, will have some different point of views on the matter, which is not bad.
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:16 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Do you have some links to where the Buddha taught the "preliminary stages" to non-monastics and framed the teaching in that way. ie Do not go forth stay as a lay person, do this and do that and then in time it will be appropriate to go forth. There are a lot of suttas about gradual path and its sta...
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:35 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

It does seem, though, that a lack of faith is involved. If you *really* have faith that letting go of all craving is the path to the end of suffering then would you disrobe? Sometimes it is, but I think James clearly said this was not the problem in his case. The problem is modern trend of presenti...
by Zom
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:20 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The great Abhidhamma Pitaka authenticity debate
Replies: 290
Views: 58882

Re: The great Abhidhamma Pitaka authenticity debate

Zom, you feel you are entitled to bring any and all historical or linguistic or archaeological or what-have-you evidence to the table to make valid arguments (as would any Westerner, pretty much), but from TheY's point of view, those arguments could never add up to anything whatsoever. And why not?...
by Zom
Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

This is what happens when you have not experienced the pleasure of not of the flesh.
Rare are those who experienced a true (not imaginary) one. And even they did, rare are those who can keep it up.
by Zom
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:41 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Anything can be a form of anything once we are the arbiters of what words mean ("A grapefruit is a form of planet") but I have never heard this expressed elsewhere. I know lots of ex monks and nuns, and nobody, lay or monastic, has ever expressed the idea that disrobing is a form of betrayal. I'd s...
by Zom
Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:47 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life
Replies: 95
Views: 2039

Re: I disrobed and returned to "normal" life

Thanks for being sincere, especially with yourself, and of course for sharing this valuable experience with others.
by Zom
Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History
Replies: 52
Views: 1188

Re: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History

May be the international journals do not publish well balanced news about the conflicts between Buddhist communities and the Muslim communities. Today in Sri Lanka many townships that had small populations of Muslim communities have grown to be large communities. Their Muslim communities are living...
by Zom
Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: what are all the direct paths
Replies: 9
Views: 231

Re: what are all the direct paths

It seems to be a translation error. Compare to: ============== “Monastics, this is the path where all things come together as one, to purify sentient beings, to make an end of pain and sadness, to get past sorrow and lamentation, to reach the way, to witness Nibbāna; that is, the four kinds of mind...
by Zom
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:10 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Islam in Asia: A Long and Complicated History
Replies: 52
Views: 1188

Re: Muslims, Islam and Europe

5 cents. Last week I had a talk with sri-lankan student. She said she was from a small town near Colombo (or Kandy - I forgot!). 90% of population there - muslims, and local government is muslim too. And you know what? They forbade buddhists to celebrate openly (on the streets) buddhist holidays lik...
by Zom
Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:23 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?
Replies: 30
Views: 2140

Re: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?

Yes, though there isn't a consensus on the reason for the distinction. The reason is obvious: external elements are not internal -) I am under the impression that the Buddha let go of the sphere of nothingness. Yes, because this is also a samsaric realm. I just said that, according to him, the perc...
by Zom
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:49 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?
Replies: 30
Views: 2140

Re: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?

Zom, how can matter be absent? You mean the subjective experience of it? This is a temporary state like sleep is. It seems like you don't imagine an existence without a body (or, perhaps, physical bodily organs?). But still, accroding to Dhamma, there is such existence, and no, it is not a "state l...
by Zom
Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:49 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?
Replies: 30
Views: 2140

Re: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?

In arupaloka where the matter is absent at all, even a fine one, one still experiences perception, feeling. There is no such thing as "body" there.
by Zom
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha teach we have choice? (aka The Great Free Will v Determinism Debate)
Replies: 909
Views: 37104

Re: Did the Buddha teach we have choice? the great free will determinism debate

So he thinks, "I chose to study dhamma instead of going to the pub, I'm such a good boy for exercising my free will that way." Isn't that just more "selfing", increasing his conceit. Isn't the thought, "the universe caused me to study dhamma rather than go to the pub, the causal process went well t...
by Zom
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?
Replies: 30
Views: 2140

Re: Kasina meditations taught by the Buddha or no?

Form is meant as your own subjective experience through body, feelings, mentation, and mental objects, not the world.
Form (rupa) can be inner one (personal) and outer one (external objects). Texts are clear on this matter.