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by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

“Condition” - “cause” - same thing. Gotta go. It’s been a slice :jumping:
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

“Suffering is the supporting cause of faith”. They are linked. End of mini-discussion. Gotta go. It’s been a real slice :woohoo:
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Upanisa sutta I know this sutta well. It doesn't say liberation is dependently originated. It doesn’t. Starting with “ignorance” as a cause, it lists each and every cause leading up to “knowledge of the destruction of the cankers”. Are you a blind mule? It’s exactly as rightviewftw says. You see so...
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:52 am
Pondera wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:51 am
Upanisa sutta
I know this sutta well.
So my original question ... are they linked or not?
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:49 am
Pondera wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:48 am
I can’t understand the question.
This appears self-evident.
Because the sentence isn’t constructed using words! Do you want me to interpret your sentence fragments!!! Fix the grammar and I’ll give you an honest answer :computerproblem:
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Clearly you’re evading the question. I’ve put you in check and you’re not playing fair. If one arises due to ignorance and the other occurs due to the absence of ignorance, how are the same? Here ... I’ll just put you out if you’re misery and suffering. Upanisa sutta - if you care to read it. "Thus...
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:43 am
Pondera wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:41 am
Clearly you’re evading the question. I’ve put you in check and you’re not playing fair.
If one arises due to ignorance and the other occurs due to the absence of ignorance, how are the same?
I’m sorry. I can’t understand the question. It is grammatically funked up.
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Are they linked or separate? At Savatthī. “Bhikkhus, I will teach you the wrong way and the right way. Listen to that and attend closely, I will speak.” “Yes, venerable sir,” those bhikkhus replied. The Blessed One said this: “And what, bhikkhus, is the wrong way? With ignorance as condition, forma...
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Are they linked or separate? At Savatthī. “Bhikkhus, I will teach you the wrong way and the right way. Listen to that and attend closely, I will speak.” “Yes, venerable sir,” those bhikkhus replied. The Blessed One said this: “And what, bhikkhus, is the wrong way? With ignorance as condition, forma...
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Dependent origination is extended to include faith, restraint, non-remorse ... etc. to “knowledge and vision of release”. The whole scope of DO depends on the destruction of greed, non-clinging, release . It is the be all end all. no.... dependent origination is not the same as dependent cessation....
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Dependent origination is extended to include faith, restraint, non-remorse ... etc. to “knowledge and vision of release”. The whole scope of DO depends on the destruction of greed, non-clinging, release . It is the be all end all. no.... dependent origination is not the same as dependent cessation....
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

My apologies. I will leave. I can see the two of you are still choking each other’s chickens, so to speak.
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

Dependent origination is extended to include faith, restraint, non-remorse ... etc. to “knowledge and vision of release”. The whole scope of DO depends on the destruction of greed, non-clinging, release. It is the be all end all.
by Pondera
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?
Replies: 179
Views: 1971

Re: Which category belong to for the cessation of feeling perception ?

incoherent jibberish as usual... at best vague references... So suttas are jibberish? The Suttas aren’t jibberish. It’s your random use of them that seems incoherent. conviction (saddha)... persistence (viriya) ... mindfulness (sati) ... concentration (samadhi) ... discernment (panna), when develop...