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by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

Relevant quote to end out the topic “There are some brahmans & contemplatives with a doctrine & view like this: ‘After death, the self is exclusively happy and free from disease.’ I approached them and asked them, ‘Is it true that you have a doctrine & view like this: “After death, the self is exclu...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

What I fail to see is whether or not God is a lesbian. :computerproblem: So, you’re saying the Buddha didn’t want to waste time on categorizing every type of male or female. Good. Good. Very good. . Kay. Here’s a question. How the fuc do you know what type of male or female you are if there are an ...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

Pondera, Opinion based on observation of the world, others’ experience, and interpretation of the sutta. Is it more likely that homosexuals are actually secretly more heterosexual, or that homosexuals have just as much and just as intense desire as heterosexuals? Do you know anyone who is homosexua...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

You say that any other persuasion or fetish can equally captivate the mind of a man or woman or whatever. THIS is the contradiction here. The fact that I don’t need a precept to realize that a woman can commit sexual transgressions does not contradict the fact that I am correctly reading this sutta...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

santa100: If you’re right, then the Buddha must be wrong. because when the Buddha says, “1. Bhikkhus, I do not know of a form that captivates the mind of man as that of woman. The form of a woman indeed captivates the mind of a man. This is the first.” - that is a mutually exclusive assertion. He as...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

I think the sutta is implicitly referring to the heterosexual majority. I imagine that homosexual attraction is of the same caliber as heterosexual attraction and the Buddha would have said similar things about it. The point is that the most enticing object of sensual pleasure for all five strings ...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

BUT - if someone straight up tells you “Men are attracted to women more than any other thing in the world” AND that someone happens to be infallible - what are you going to conclude about the gay person? You’re going to conclude (in order for the infallible person to remain infallible) that somewhe...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

Sorry pal; those are my opinions based on the sutta. Not gunna delve into literature to prove a point as obvious as the one I’m making. You call it homophobia, but the sutta clearly states eg. men are most attracted to women and eg. women are most attracted to men. Then apparently you've read the s...
by Pondera
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

Yes, I do expect the Buddha to exhaustively list each and every persuasion if it is applicable. This sutta is very straightforward - it deals with men obsessing over women and women obsessing over men. No mention of children, beasts, or dead people. THAT was entirely invented by your dissatisfactio...
by Pondera
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

even queer men and women find the opposite sex more attractive despite their choice in life style (which goes against every grain of truth that people believe today regarding gender, choice and sexuality). ...quite obviously, it does not propogate the teaching to queer folk. ...then here is somethi...
by Pondera
Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

The Buddha can’t be wrong - therefore even queer men and women find the opposite sex more attractive despite their choice in life style (which goes against every grain of truth that people believe today regarding gender, choice and sexuality). The Buddha didn’t lie - therefore his concerns about his...
by Pondera
Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

No. You’re right. The Buddha himself may not have been included in any competitions for alms. He would have acquired them by his own merit. My main point anyway was that “Buddhists” in general competed for alms with other religious sects. You, on the other hand, still have to account for your wild ...
by Pondera
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

"Even so, Prince, whatever speech the Tathāgata knows to be not fact, not true, not connected with the goal, and that is not liked by others, disagreeable to them, that speech the Tathāgata does not utter. And whatever speech a Tathāgata knows to be fact, true, but not connected with the goal, and ...
by Pondera
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Captivates the Mind of a Man
Replies: 47
Views: 530

Re: Captivates the Mind of a Man

As I said; Buddhist’s and Jains were contemporaries. They competed for alms. Your historic understanding of the Buddha’s world is lacking. Here’s an excerpt from the Devadhaha sutta Your lengthy quote does absolutely nothing to back up your claim. True, some Buddhists and Jains competed for alms, b...