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by Pondera
Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

I don’t get it. :shrug: I’m not saying it’s incorrect. I just don’t get it. I’ve been told I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed on occasion. Sorry, my fault for not explaining properly. I just mean that Pali uses the term we translate as "self" - atta - in different ways. Sometimes it might mean t...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid
Replies: 19
Views: 323

Re: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid

Oh. Is there a “put my foot in my own mouth” emoji?

:namaste:
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

Pondera This doesn’t follow. The mere fact that I may identify with something does not entail necessarily that I am clinging to it or craving it. Nibbana is an experience. You need not call it “my self” but you can identify with the experience. Ie. knowing and seeing Nibbana entails identifying wit...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

As in, “take care of yourself” being conventional speech. Bad example. “Take care of yourself” literally means “do that which is necessary to ensure the well being of your health (ie. body, mind, emotions).” There’s no “convention” here. The expression is literal and exact. A good example would be ...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

So, then, is it suitable to call something which is not suffering and does not decay the self? Where one can say, “Let my self be such and such” and it is? The reason Nibbana has the quality of non-suffering and is permanent is because it’s the absence of craving and clinging, which means it’s also...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

Conventional speech. Universal doctrine of non harm applicable to run of the mill people and Arahants. Pointing to something deep within us. As in, “take care of yourself” being conventional speech. Bad example. “Take care of yourself” literally means “do that which is necessary to ensure the well ...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

Ceisiwr wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:01 am
Conventional speech.
Universal doctrine of non harm applicable to run of the mill people and Arahants. Pointing to something deep within us.
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

I wonder how others interpret this use of the word “Self” against the standard teachings of “not-self”? A regular worlding's theoretical understanding about the standard teaching of not-self won't make his self-identity disappear. One can't just talk the talk but not walk the walk. This includes th...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

The Ven. Sujato translation does not use the stand alone "self" rather the more conventional "yourself," "oneself," and "themselves." I think this avoids confusion regarding what this sutta is about (non-harming, not anatta). The Buddha certainly used convention language in teaching. (Also, he does...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

I interpret it to mean that the word (rather like the archaic use of our term "soul") can be used to mean either an unchanging essence which is part of us; or as an identifier of a particular individual over time. To make sense of SN 3.8, Pasenadi, Mallika, and The Blessed One must each and separat...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn03/sn03.008.wlsh.html I wonder how others interpret this use of the word “Self” against the standard teachings of “not-self”? This simply shows that the Buddha's teachings always accord with the capacities of those that are taught. Different audience, d...
by Pondera
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid
Replies: 19
Views: 323

Re: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid

Your teacher should read the suttas and/or practice Buddhism more often. He’s wrong. "These two qualities have a share in clear knowing. Which two? Tranquillity (samatha) & insight (vipassana). "When tranquillity is developed, what purpose does it serve? The mind is developed. And when the mind is d...
by Pondera
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid
Replies: 19
Views: 323

Re: VLOG#29: The Ultimate Comeback Kid

My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that Vipissana is not what is taught in the meditation part of the noble 8 fold path. In my opinion, this is incorrect. Vipassana means the Satipathana which is Samma Sati Samma Samadhi is not Jhana. The purpose of jhanic bliss is Samādhi. The Blessed On...
by Pondera
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

I wonder how others interpret this use of the word “Self” against the standard teachings of “not-self”? I interpret it to mean that the word (rather like the archaic use of our term "soul") can be used to mean either an unchanging essence which is part of us; or as an identifier of a particular ind...
by Pondera
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dear to your Self
Replies: 31
Views: 238

Re: Dear to your Self

So the Buddha is putujana? How does the Buddha understand this “thing” which he holds more dear to this “thing” than any other “thing” within his infinite range of knowledge? The obvious answer is that the Buddha's "we" implicitly includes ordinary people but not himself. That might actually be mad...