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by Pondera
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:32 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Ven. Ananda said: "Friends, whoever — monk or nun — declares the attainment of arahantship in my presence, they all do it by means of one or another of four paths. Which four? https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.170.than.html That´s great! Still doesn’t explain how samadhi differs...
by Pondera
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:30 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

What I am saying is Samath does not lead to Vipassana but Vipassana may lead to Samatha as well. The way the Buddha taught these things was to regard them as qualities of the meditation experience. He never said "Go off to someplace and do vipassana." It's only in more recent times that we find the...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:46 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

People refer to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassana_movement for their meditation instruction. Obsession with counting breath. Obsession with noting thoughts. Etcetera. None of this was ever taught by the Buddha and it does not lead to RIGHT concentration. It may lead to SOME concentration. Ju...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Jhana and Samadhi are two different things. Jhana is the precise definition of Samadhi. In other words, they are one and the same. SarathW clearly hasn’t investigated the 8FP well enough to know that. For example and in particular: "And what is right concentration? There is the case where a monk — ...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:50 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Here. I’ll add fuel to the fire.

Samadhi is not a product of Vipasanna Bhavana.

Check. Your move.
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:35 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

SarathW wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:30 am
Jhana and Samadhi are two different things.
I already know you’re incorrect and I have a sutta to support that assertion; but humour me ...

How are they different?
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:13 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

How do you practice vipasanna without concentration, SarathW?

Or how do you even cultivate concentration?
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:02 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

SarathW wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:33 am
One can go straight into vipasanna without Samatha
Agree.
Okay. Sure. Let’s just ignore the rest of the teachings then ... :shrug:
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Buddha learned Samatha from his teachers. Then he develops it to Satipathana. Samatha does not have all Eightfold path. Samma Sati and Samma Dithi is not present in Samatha. Buddha learned first jhana as a child. So technically, he learned Samatha from himself as a young child. Please provide a sut...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:52 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People? Is the answer given by Sadguru in line with Buddhist teaching? https://youtu.be/7qnmaD6Kl1g Sadguru says “People want the consequence ... not the process.” This is the process: Suffering is a vital condition for faith. Faith is a vital condition for joy....
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:40 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Samatha does not leads to Vipassana. They are two different things. My understanding is that they can be developed concurrently. If I'm not mistaken, there's a sutta passage on that... Agree. That Samatha and Vipassana can be practiced in tandem. What I am saying is Samath does not lead to Vipassan...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:07 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Samatha does not leads to Vipassana. They are two different things. My understanding is that they can be developed concurrently. If I'm not mistaken, there's a sutta passage on that... You’re correct. Right Concentration is the development of the four rupa jhanas. They lead to discernment. For exam...
by Pondera
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:17 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Meditation used purposefully to attain this or that works. It´s just a matter of skill and patience and energy. Meditation used purposefully to abondon ignorance can´t work. Why not? Meditation leads to Samatha - samatha to vipasanna - vipasanna to knowledge of release (the destruction of ignorance...
by Pondera
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?
Replies: 37
Views: 494

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People?

Why Meditation Doesn't Work For Many People? Meditation used purposefully to attain this or that works. It´s just a matter of skill and patience and energy. Meditation used purposefully to abondon ignorance can´t work. Why not? Meditation leads to Samatha - samatha to vipasanna - vipasanna to knowl...
by Pondera
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What’s More Enjoyable?
Replies: 10
Views: 237

Re: What’s More Enjoyable?

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:23 am
Pondera wrote: Can you imagine a life without meditation?
I can't meditate
Hold on! You come here with wisdom and I am concerned ... what is stopping you from meditating?

The suttas do not explain meditation for only the sake of then monk!

What is stopping you?