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by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

You didn't answer my questions as I provided you with the Sutta and my explanations already . However , you have your own views and not that other must agree with me. None of your cited quotes said anything to back up your claim, and you have not answered any of my questions. So all I could say is ...
by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

Ok then , what about the logic behind per questions I asked ? Why is restlessness in the five hindrances suddenly reappeared in the higher fetters ? And it seems that Attachment to the Formless realm is illogical since many Arahants did not have the arupa jhana ? What do you mean restlessness "reap...
by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

Take note that I did not say ignorance is something of 100% composition , instead is veil of darkness , once abandoned no more . You just lift the veil and there the light is shining through . There is a different compare to your understanding . Problem is your cited reference does not support your...
by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:51 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Can I become Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King or Gandhi?
Replies: 16
Views: 343

Re: Can I become Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King or Gandhi?

SarathW wrote:Can I become Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King or Gandhi?
Sure, why not. But just a heads-up, you'll face the same tragic end like all three of them: death by gunshot wound.
by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever see the sea?
Replies: 20
Views: 329

Re: Did the Buddha ever see the sea?

I'm wondering if his knowledge of the former was thru heresay from others or personal sight of the sea or was it, like his knowledge of the cosmos, acquired thru his psychic vision. Per the Suttas, the Buddha already mastered all the Iddhis, so it'd be the latter, psychic power. Also from the sutta...
by santa100
Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is born by moisture?
Replies: 6
Views: 152

Re: What is born by moisture?

TRobinson465 wrote:but what are some creatures that are moisture born?
MN 12 wrote:What is moisture-born generation? There are these beings born in a rotten fish, in a rotten corpse, in rotten porridge, in a cesspit, or in a sewer; this is called moisture-born generation.
Probably maggots and various kinds of larvas.
by santa100
Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

So, what do you think ? For a sotapanna , According to the sequence there is no mentioning of ignorance abandoning ? In that case , your Assumption that sotapanna abandoned certain degree of the ignorance is not really making sense , does it ? That's easy to explain. But you've still continuously f...
by santa100
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

No, sorry to say that I did not see any proof of the sutta that says ignorance is something constitute of 100% ignorance , and a person needs to chip off bit by bit of the ignorance . Then how do you explaine both Sutta and Abhidhamma's specification of Ignorance as belonging to the higher fetters,...
by santa100
Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

Can you provide logical reason with why desire for formless realm and restlessness is included in the fetters ? If an arahant only attained to form jhana how can s/he abandon the desire for formless realm fetter ? Since I've already provided references, but you have not provided any to back up your...
by santa100
Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

I doubt that the five higher fetters is correct. As I said , ignorance is about View , once abandoned , only left greed hatred to work on . Please provide backup sutta references/literature to back up your claims above, especially your belief that Sotapannas have completely 100% eradicated Ignorance.
by santa100
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

I would say a sotapanna come back 7 times because they still have certain degree of greed and hatred but not ignorance . Ignorance is a view , is a veil of darkness . You seem to say that a Sotapanna has completedly 100% eradicated ignorance. This is not true. Avijja/Ignorance is among the 5 higher...
by santa100
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

Ignorance is not understanding the Dukkha with regards to its arising & passing away , the gratification, the danger, and the escape in regard to the six bases for contact ie the five aggregates . Thus a sotapanna would be already abandoned the ignorance , or else s/he does not understand the four ...
by santa100
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 461

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

If ignorance is abandoned at the end when attaining arahatship , this means a sotapanna still have ignorant . Thus, the sotapanna will have Wrong View per Sn45.1. Therefore , a sotapanna do not have True Knowledge . Notice SN 45.1 says: "For an unwise person immersed in ignorance , wrong view sprin...
by santa100
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: High Birth Low Birth
Replies: 15
Views: 300

Re: High Birth Low Birth

Pondera wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:24 am
It sounds as though you are saying that the ends justify the means?
No, one has to cook up something to qualify it as "ends justify means". In the DN 3 case, the Buddha didn't cook up anything. He simply stated the fact.
by santa100
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: High Birth Low Birth
Replies: 15
Views: 300

Re: High Birth Low Birth

Notice the exceedingly arrogant attitude Ambattha displayed when he first met the Buddha: 1.9. Ambattha went up to the dwelling and on to the verandah, coughed, and knocked. The Lord opened the door, and Ambaṭṭha went in. The young men entered, exchanged courtesies with the Lord, and sat down to one...